<p>i am international student </p>
<p>i am looking for university which is do not want from international students to have TOEFL .</p>
<p>i have been in USA one year ago i am studing English now.Also, i am at level five which is last level .</p>
<p>please if you know any university please give the name of that university or help me to get the Admissions </p>
<p>thank you</p>
<p>Well if you havent studied english for some stipulated period of time then no one can help you. You have to take the TOEFL.</p>
<p>But there are some universities that substitute your CR score for TOEFL.</p>
<p>What's the matter with the TOEFL? What's your score, or what score would you anticipate if you were to take it now?
The exercises on the TOEFL are easier than the actual lectures and essays you will have to deal with in college. If the TOEFL is too hard for you right now, you should consider enrolling in an English language program for a little bit longer. Some colleges have ESL programs that allow you to take one or two regular college classes along with ESL classes, and once you gain a certain proficiency you can smoothly matriculate as a regular degree candidate without having to take the TOEFL again.</p>
<p>If your SAT Critical Reading score is above 550, some colleges will exempt you from the TOEFL requirement (I cannot think of one at the top of my head but a quick Google search should to the trick). Maybe there are a colleges which require less than 550 but I cannot recall having come across one.</p>
<p>thnk you guys </p>
<p>but someone took to me abuot some university it would not ask about TOEFL if i studed more than one year in any ESL </p>
<p>and that why i ask you guys if you know any university </p>
<p>thnk you so much</p>
<p>Why don't you ask the person who told you said thing?</p>
<p>If you participate in a university's own ESL program, you might not need to take the TOEFL to switch to regular student status, and some universities don't ask for the TOEFL after you have attended an English-medium school (e.g. an ESL program) for at least two years; however, I don't know a university for which one year of ESL without additional testing would suffice.</p>
<p>b@rium</p>
<p>thanks so much for took to me </p>
<p>before i came to here i asked hem but he saied Lawrence university may be it will give you ADMISSIONS </p>
<p>but i did not found thim sit about INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS</p>
<p>it is hard for me</p>
<p>can u not enroll in a CC and then get great marks and get transferred to a college?</p>
<p>Community College...yes, what asifkhan said.</p>
<p>I just looked at the websites of a few community colleges and this seems to be the deal:
If the CC offers an ESL program, it does not require the TOEFL but administers its own English placement exam to determine whether you have to take ESL classes or not (a certain TOEFL score would exempt you from having to take ESL classes as well). If it does not have an ESL program, you have to prove your English language proficiency in your application (TOEFL).</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure the community college ESL programs are too easy (in comparison w/ Toefl)...........just take a regular English course at CC and if u can get a good score then all's well! :cool:</p>
<p>PS: Khaled, I just went over ur few posts above and I don't know whether u wrote them in a casual manner or not, but it sounds really awkward to read all those sentences.....just for your sake, u may wanna take the TOEFL and get a strong base in english! atleast take some strong preliminary classes on english! trust me, u can't skip over english since u'll need it when studying pretty much anything! hope this helps.</p>
<p>I have to admit that I know nothing about the quality of CC ESL programs but regular English classes (aka literature classes) are definitely not the way to go to acquire basic English skills (the OP seems to be unable to pass the TOEFL which indicates that he/she is not able to write a simple argumentative essay or summary of a short dialog in correct English).</p>
<p>then he better take TOEFL for his very own sake.........</p>
<p>thank you guys for every thing</p>
<p>i will try the toefl </p>
<p>and i will tell you latter what score i get</p>