<p>My son downloaded the PCQ Instructions last night and completed the Questionnaire. It looks like the PAE is now called the CFA and is in a new order with a 1 mile run added. </p>
<p>It goes BB throw, Cadence pull-ups, shuttle run, modified sit-ups, push-ups and then the 1 mile run - all on a strict time limit.</p>
<p>We noticed the website PAE hadn’t been changed. Interesting.</p>
<p>I saw this too when I went through the PCQ. I definetly like this addition....the PAE (or whatever it's now called) seems to always have lacked endurance excercises...and now that's taken care of. Us distance runners are happy now!!</p>
<p>I checked the USMA and USNA sites - they don't show a change yet to the PAE. I'm assuming, though, that they'd do this jointly?</p>
<p>This is for the class of '10 correct? </p>
<p>I also agree that it's a good thing to add a long run to the physical tests. In Civil Air Patrol, we have a mile run and that's supposedly based on the AF fitness program.</p>
<p>There are actually a number of changes, all positive in my book:</p>
<ol>
<li>The addition of the 1 mile run</li>
<li>The addition of situps</li>
<li>The elimination of the standing broad jump</li>
<li>The modification of the shuttle run to be much shorter and focused on quickness</li>
<li>The ability of women to choose pullups over flexed arm hang (1 pullup is worth more than the max flexxed arm hang time)</li>
<li>A very defined timeline for execution.</li>
</ol>
<p>Biggest positive in my book has to be the elimination of that damned long jump. Despite being way ahead of a lot of my friends in physical fitness a lot of them could actually out-do me on that jump when I told them what I had to do. Personally I can't really see how that was a great fitness test.</p>
<p>That's funny because the long jump was probably my best event.</p>
<p>A bigger problem is standardization of administration. In olden days, when you were an official candidate, you were asked to go to a local military base, guard installation, or some other site and an ALO or some other official gave the test en masse to a large number of candidates. It was tough, but fair. My biggest worry with the current method is simply that high school coaches, administrators, or some candidates may simply pencil whip the test. Results of many recent BCT cadet PFTs at USAFA seem to support this, with some basics scoring unimaginably low scores--though the average is generally quite good.</p>
<p>Message: If you're taking this test--do it the right way or please don't bother.</p>
<p>The CFT is important to pass to get in, but also realize that some of the stuff on there you won't ever have to do again here, and there will be additional things you need to pass that are not a part of that. For example, the addition of situps is good, as crunches are part of the PFT here. The deletion of the long jump may be rejoiced, however, you'll have to do it every single PFT here, so don't get over-excited. The addition of mile run's okay, but the AFT here is 1.5 miles, so perhaps they should have added that instead.</p>
<p>I'm sorry if this question has been asked and answered before...
I plan to take the CFA/fitness test in August and submit those scores. I know I can pass it but just want to submit the highest scores I can.
Can I take it again and if improved, submit those scores? Or is it a one-time shot?</p>
<p>I really think it's best done as a one time shot. I think it MAY be possible to do it twice, but I'm not sure on this at all. Maybe someone else knows more about this than me, but I'd go with a one shot deal just to be safe.</p>
<p>My counselor said that she had a guy last year fail it the first time (running was bad) and he took it again later and passed.</p>
<p>I believe you can do it twice. At the top of the scantron form I remember there being something like "PCQ #: " with a choice of 1 or 2....I think it refers to whether it's your 2nd or 1st try.</p>
<p>For some reason I believed they changed it this year to a one shot deal. Not sure why though, but if you nail it once that's the best.</p>
<p>Just keep in mind that while the entrance physical fitness test has been changed, the physical fitness test that cadets take once every semestere here is the same. This means, for example, that although you don't need to do the standing long jump to get in, you will need to do it (and be graded accordingly) once you get here. The other events of the cadet PFT, if anyone's interested, are: up to 2 minutes of pullups, up to 2 minutes of crunches, up to 2 minutes of pushups, and a 600 run. Also every semester there is the aerobic fitness test (AFT) which is a 1.5 mile run.</p>
<p>Trust me, that first PFT here will be a gut check. You won't be used to the altitude, and that sprint just kills people. A lot of people throw up and such, but I've never been one to do that. Seems like that would make you feel worse...It's good that they added the one pullup thing. It'll make it a little harder I guess. You'd be surprised how many girls can't do one pullup. And how many guys that can do only one. :| But there is one girl I've seen that can max the male pullups, 21. I can't even do that. I'm around 17-18 usually. :) I wonder how many UNCynical can do? :) Watch it be 21...Heheh...</p>
<p>I can only do 3 or 4. ;) Then I get about 6'9 on the long jump, max the next two events, and then survive the run (usually only getting 40 or so points).</p>
<p>When you did your PFT to get in, what were your results?</p>
<p>I honestly can't rememebr exact numbers. I do recall I was a little above average on everything except the shuttle run, and I made that one only about a second below the max time allowed. </p>
<p>I will say, though, that how well people do on that (at least the old one) really didn't indicate how well people would do on the cadet PFT. The flexed arm hang instead of pullups hurt females in the respect that many did not even think to work on them; the only time females ever do the arm hang instead of actual pullups is on the entrance PFT. The basketball throw never shows up again. Even though they removed the standing long jump from the entrance one, I do suggest practicing it as you will see it once you get here. The PFT run you have to do here is a 600 (which I don't think correlates with anything on the past/current entrance PFT).</p>
<p>Hey, I know this is a bit off topic but now that I have my appointment I've been doing some prep and I've always heard the programming class is killer at USAFA. What language do they use in that class? Is it a common language or something USAFA developed?</p>