Catholic school battle: G-Town vs. Notre Dame

<p>So, in your opinions, which is better. I know this is a vague term, so maybe we could compare based on </p>

<p>1) Academics (rigor, grad school acceptance and guidance, job counseling)</p>

<p>2) EC's and extras</p>

<p>3) Housing/ food ( meal plans)</p>

<p>4) Social life on and off campus</p>

<p>5) Prestige (perceived or otherwise)</p>

<p>6) General disposition of students (nice and happy or mean and miserable)</p>

<p>7) Anything else !</p>

<p>I know many things I listed are trivial, but I tried to include everything.</p>

<p>Academics: Gtown slight edge
EC's and extra's: I think ND wins here bc i hear they have fantastic intramural sports/dorm events
Housing/food: ND
Social Life: Gtown (DC, M Street)
Prestige: Gtown
General Disposition of Students:IDK</p>

<p>1) Academics: Gtown</p>

<p>2) EC's and extras: Can't say since I don't know about ND, but Gtown has very good ones.</p>

<p>3) Housing/ food: Prob ND, Gtown's is okay, but nothing great.</p>

<p>4) Social life on and off campus: Again can't say, but Gtown's is great!</p>

<p>5) Prestige: Gtown</p>

<p>6) General disposition of students: Can't say again about ND, Gtown students are generally very happy!</p>

<p>1) I think Georgetown has ND beat</p>

<p>2) ND has more on-campus opportunities, but Gtown is in DC so it has more overall</p>

<p>3) I think ND is actually better overall, but Gtown has much better off-campus oppotunities.</p>

<p>4) ND has a better social life on and off campus simply because ND is located in such a small college town dominated by its students. However, this being said, Gtown has an amazing social life with better and more diverse opportunities than ND students. Quality trumps quantity.</p>

<p>5) ND if you live where I do (in an extremely Irish Catholic neighborhood) But in general, ND only if you want the whole "Fighting Irish" tag, but without that tag, Gtown has much better prestige (im not sure if that makes sense...)</p>

<p>6) ND wins by far. Know why. B/c ND students are generally really arrogant people who are unable to see past their own tiny golden-domed world they've created for themselves. (yeah, thats a little harsh)
Gtown students understand life in the rest of the world. They're not unhappy, but ignorance is bliss, and Gtown just wont have that on their campus. </p>

<p>7) If you hadnt guessed from #6, I abhore Notre Dame. The fact that about 20 of my classmates are going there next year is killing me. Georgetown is not closed off to the rest of the world as ND seems to be.</p>

<p>well, since I was accepted to both last year and currently attend one of them, I may as well post some experience-based perceptions and not ridiculous oversimplifications that tend to permeate the posts above mine (i.e. XYZ affair's #4, 6, and 7):</p>

<p>1) I am unsure about rigor, but in terms of medical school acceptances (the only thing I have specific knowledge of), Georgetown does slightly better than ND at placing students into really top medical schools like NYU, Columbia, Harvard, and the like.</p>

<p>2) There are many many opportunities available at both schools to do pretty much any kind of extracurricular activity you could imagine, as long as you have a passion and are willing to stir up interest. Both schools have very dynamic, outgoing students willing to take part in beneficial out-of-class activities.</p>

<p>3) ND is substantially better than Georgetown at providing quality on-campus dining, though Georgetown's prime location makes off-campus eating actually possible (and quite fun), so it's really up to whether you would prefer to have excellent, conveniently accessible food but limited options or a wealth of options off-campus (that may require some sleuthing) combined with on-campus food that leaves something to be desired.</p>

<p>4) ND's social life revolves around the campus, alcohol, and athletics. There is little to do on weekends in the order of going to movies, going out in the city (you would probably get shot), or clubbing. That said, its on-campus social life is considered very vibrant by some while others tire of the lack of changing scenery. Georgetown is the opposite. Located in Washington, there are local sports teams whose events you can attend (Wizards, for example), concerts, and overall more going on around campus. If you come from a city and love to be in the center of activity, I would recommend going to Georgetown over ND, since ND's location and local atmosphere (C.o.l.l.e.g.e. P.r.o.w.l.e.r. gives it a D-) can be significant drawbacks in the long run despite its many positive offerings.</p>

<p>5) In terms of academic prestige, the Midwest/Chicago provide many opportunities for ND grads. East Coast employers (e.g. Wall Street banks) and most academics would probably give Georgetown an edge, since it has more history and is generally considered more prominent in the academic community. The athletic programs at ND tend to cause some elitists to stereotype ND as a homogeneous, sports-based, party school, which while far from the truth may be indicative of a certain sentiment potentially held by some employers/academics.</p>

<p>6) ND students are very nice, yet tend to be more conservative/uptight about things. Georgetown students are more liberal, with overall more relaxed views towards things like Catholic teaching on sexuality. However, both types of students can be found at both schools. If you are a conservative Catholic, go to ND. If your parents are Catholic and you've been "Catholic" all your life without really buying into all the traditionalist norms and expectations, Georgetown is your place.</p>

<p>7) While both are good schools, Georgetown I feel is a better fit for those from large, bustling cities, since the presence of a city greatly enhances one's college experience over the course of four years. ND is a dream school for a narrow slice of the population that identifies with its values, and for those who don't, it can be frustrating to relate to an administration that seems adamantly allied with traditionalism (e.g. single-sex dorms, a priest in every dorm)</p>

<p>For the record, georgetown has at least onepreist in every freshman dorm as well</p>

<p>one member of the clergy. there is an imam in harbin.</p>

<p>Just to set things straight-
Not sure how ND students are more "closed off to the rest of the world" when more (and yes a higher percentage) of ND students study abroad. And historically more ND students have joined the Peace Corps, which was started at ND by Fr. Hesburgh and Sargent Shriver, than any other Catholic school. </p>

<p>And I have no idea why someone would use the Wizards (or any Washington pro team, but particularly the Wizards) as an example of something exciting to do. Georgetown could probably hang with the Wizards. And they lost to Notre Dame, which is hosting College Gameday on Saturday.</p>

<p>Well, bpayne, I don't think the poster you're referring to meant that Notre Dame students were forever doomed to closed off from the rest of existence, but South Bend is, comparatively, a small, unknown town.</p>

<p>"Georgetown could probably hang with the Wizards. And they lost to Notre Dame"</p>

<p>It's the BIG EAST man, no team will go undefeated (by the end of the season)</p>

<p>simpson-</p>

<p>I don't know about that. If it was just a South Bend being a small town thing then it would have been appropriate to mention that in 4. The poster did. Plus in the first sentence of 7 the poster tells us up front that he or she abhors Notre Dame, which strikes at something deeper than just the location of the school. Looking at it again I think we're both wrong, it was just a general claim against ND. I would have been better pointing out the study abroad and Peace Corps data in response to the poster's statement in 6. </p>

<p>Peace</p>

<p>And very true about the Big East, but Jesuit Marquette is undefeated in conference at the moment.</p>

<p>I don't even want to think back to the Gtown vs Marquette game... an embarrassment it was</p>

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in the first sentence of 7 the poster tells us up front that he or she abhors Notre Dame

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<p>false. it's more just a problem of "fit," the intangible quality that everyone says is most important in choosing a college.</p>

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Just to set things straight-

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thanks for "setting things straight," since all of my comments were so clearly baseless and unreasonable that they require not merely a counterargument, but a rectification. I appreciate the help.</p>

<p>But seriously, I would very much enjoy taking public transit into the city with a few friends to catch a Wizards game, going out to dinner, and enjoying myself and the city. Would I care that the Wizards suck? No, because quite frankly I see most sports (football, basketball, baseball) as little more than entertainment and do not really care who wins generally.</p>

<p>To any prospective students reading this, the crux of what I'm saying is that being in an urban environment with a vibrant local atmosphere and fun, exciting nightlife was a quality that I overlooked when selecting a school to attend, and I wish that I had considered it more carefully, since I come from a large city, the presence of which I now realize I always took for granted. Really think about whether you want to be at a certain place for FOUR YEARS before committing to it, since the initial excitement of college will inevitably wear off, and you want to make sure that when it does, you feel comfortable, at home, and are glad to be where you are.</p>

<p>With regard to the Peace Corps, the 2009 figures have Georgetown ranked #9 among "Medium Colleges and Universities," with 35 alumni volunteers. Notre Dame is 13th with 26. This despite the fact that UND has about 2,000 more undergrads than Georgetown.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.peacecorps.gov/multimedia/pdf/stats/schools2009.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.peacecorps.gov/multimedia/pdf/stats/schools2009.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Those current rankings are correct. I said historically, so aggregate back to 1961. Although yes Notre Dame does have, and probably has had for a while, many more students than Georgetown.</p>

<p>haha, its nice to know i've become "the poster" </p>

<p>[just to set the record straight...i meant that Gtown is in the middle of so much politically that it's students are forced to notice things that ND students might be ignorant to (ie. There arent many protests, marches, etc in South Bend) Ok, so there are more study abroad opportunities at ND, but diversity on-campus (which affects EVERYONE at the school unlike study-abroad programs) is much better, not to mention the Walsh school at Gtown. I wasnt trying to bring up any qualifications as far as study abroad.]</p>

<p>Well, i don't pretend to have much experience beyond simple on-campus tours and conversations with ND alumni and current ND students from my highschool. I know I have limited experience, but I still have as much experience than the average applicant (if not much more by living in an IRISH CATHOLIC neighborhood with nearly 13 years of catholic school experience. I know dozens of students and alumni. My school sends many students there each year as well. I've always been surrounded by the "Fighting Irish")</p>

<p>I even said that I was being "a little harsh" and that I "abhore ND." I know I'm biased and have no real first-hand personal experience, but pretty much all I had said (besides my #6 rant) had real merit to it.</p>