<p>There are A LOT of asians in the UC system including berkeley. Your nationality is not that impressive. You are not native american or eskimo or african american, so affirmative action doesnt apply. Unless there is less than 40 pakistani / indian people on campus you are not going to get affirmative action to play a role in that. </p>
<p>I dont think you have a bad chance, i by all means think you should apply b/c you want to. I just think the things you believe to be important are not going to give you the edge you think they will.</p>
<p>but ur approach … when it comes to nationality … is absolutely wrong…
I wonder when did people start evaluating “majority” on the basis of “minority”? lol…it’s like saying 16/2 is 8 times more than 1 … and not 2/16 … 12.5% of 16. </p>
<p>Pakistani nationality is more affirmative than being a regular American … it is more affirmative than being a chinese… it is more affirmative than being an Indian …</p>
<p>When it comes to my freinds, I would say that Kyrgyz nationality would have been more affirmative than Indian…</p>
<p>The lower the population… the more affirmative…</p>
<p>Second of all… Universities tend to favour international applicants … I mean “international” not permanent residents…in an effort to diversify their alumni network. I would therefore encourage international permanent resident students to notify in their essay… that they have plans to return back to their country.</p>
<p>Affirmative action is for very FEW groups. Pakistani is not one of them. Affirmative action applies to those who have been mistreated by the US, they have generational poverty and can not obtain an education because of americas actions. What you are talking about is NOT affirmative action. </p>
<p>You do not get preference by virtue of your ethnicity, because then the most exotic ethnicities would get accepted to the best schools.</p>
<p>What you are suggesting would be a violation of 14th amendment equal protection clause. Which states that similarly situated individuals are entitled to the same treatment. The only reason the US government approved affirmative action was for African Americans and tribal members. You are basically suggesting discrimination and amendment violation on the part of these universities. </p>
<p>Additionally i would see how if you applied to the University of North Dakota, where the majority is white american, them accepting you would benefit their diversity. But in the instance of state funded Berkeley, there is enough diversity as it is, and preference would be given only to african americans and tribal members. </p>
<p>Also, where do you even get this notion that we want internationals in state schools?</p>
<p>Malishka is right, your ethnicity is nothing spectacular; they receive tons of middle eastern applications, and the UCs have a lot of persians. In addition, it isnt like you are native american or from nigeria/republic of congo or something.</p>
<p>You are an out of state resident, so for Haas, you practically have no chance (and you got a few Ds)</p>
<p>Lastly, the University of California does not consider race. Perhaps you should look into prop 209. As a result of prop 209, there is no affirmative action in california; sorry to burst your bubble.</p>
<p>It’s extremely selective when it comes in international admissions, actually. I have friends at Bard who are international and they are all 3.9+/2250+ students. They tell me how much harder admissions is from their countries.</p>
<p>Sory… MLEVIN… Admissions are not harder from abroad… It is the financial restriction… that disqualifies them… Remember, when ur applying from abroad… they want you to show financial support documents of $45000! PLUS MEDICAL INSURANCE</p>
<p>Donjuan…they receive a lot of middle eastern…a lot of persian…
Unfortunately… I am not surprised that you are one of those “geographically and culturally unenlightened” American… lol! </p>
<p>You live in some fantasy world you know that?</p>
<p>The kids that apply from abroad are exceptional always, i never seen a 3.0 average student applying from abroad and expecting to get in. </p>
<p>They are the top students in their respective high schools and they have a hard time getting accepted.</p>
<p>You are one of those people, that only wants to hear what you want to hear, no matter what people tell you, you will believe what you think is right. Why do you even ask then if you think you know it all already?</p>
<p>You make it sound as if all the international kids that qualify and apply get accepted. </p>
<p>Universities play the race game but not with your race. State schools DO have certain quota to maintain for minority students, which you are not.</p>
<p>Pakistan marks the region where south Asia converges with the middle east, and since middle east is not a geographical area in the true scence of the word i can see how some would include Pakistan.</p>
<p>If you would prefer , as a south asian you would get even LESS of that preferential treatment you think that will occur.</p>
<p>Malishka is right. It’s very rude to ask for other people’s advice and contradict them if they don’t tell you exactly what you want to hear. If you’re gonna do that, why did you even post here? Were you fishing for compliments?
International students have a much harder time being accepted to colleges, anybody can tell you that. Affirmative action does not apply to you. Your few D’s will hurt. Your C+ and W’s at CC will also hurt. If you don’t take the SAT’s or ACT by the time you apply you have a 0% at some schools on your list. The only thing you got going for you is that you have an extraordinary amount of credits, which is not a big plus at all. Your chances are bleak at best for the higher ranked schools on your list.</p>
<p>yeah, pakiboy, stop contradicting us! Plus, Malishka was a successful transfer to the UCs and you are asking for advice. Unfortunately for you, she is right; so just get over it.</p>
<p>Seems like he was more or less fishing for compliments. I don’t see the point of these posts unless you’re asking for insight about schools which you would’ve otherwise not known about.</p>
<p>Pakistanis are by no means even close to being considered for affirmative action. In my high school, there were about ten Pakistanis, and they’re grouped with all other Asians by the college admissions process. </p>
<p>While I’m not a seasoned pro, it’s obvious that with two Ws, some poor grades, and loads of credits, adcoms are going to look on you as just that–a load.</p>
<p>A 3.8 at a CC is not that good. You are talking about top schools here; you think they want students who is getting Bs and WORSE at a CC? That doesn’t seem reasonable. If it was so easy to transfer into top schools, would they really be top schools?</p>
<p>I have replaced Wharton … i know it’s not worth applying to UPENN…
anyways… </p>
<p>Lookin…at u guyz… 3.8 might not be good…
But if 3.8 is not good … how will you justify the admission of my freinds… and all other people I know … who have been accepted at schools like NYU and Cornell… for competitive majors like Biology… who had GPA lower than mine …</p>
<p>I dont even think its the gpa issue . I think a 3.8 is fine in regards to grade standing. I transfered to a top school being far outside the CC norm in regards to what is good in community college. That is why i felt i could put in some input. My biggest concern is that as an applicant you are not well rounded. You have been here for 2 years, so saying you are form South Asian and Ecs are not prelevant there is not enough if i was an adcom for example.</p>
<p>It is not just about numbers on your transcript for these top schools. If you want to transfer you have to show you can do multiple things and do them well at these top schools. Those are the students that they want. </p>
<p>Instead, you chose to pursue excessive amounts of units for no particular reason and abandon other equally important aspects of your community college time. </p>
<p>A lot of kids can do well academically, actually you can gurantee yourself that ALL of the kids who are your competition do well / have done equally as well as you academically at their current colleges and universities. Now to be competative what are you going to offer aside from your grades? </p>
<p>I transfered with a 3.4 to UCLA and then from UCLA to a few other schools on the East coast.. ( i will end up with two degrees but thats a different story) . I also attended community college for an ungodly 5 FIVE years… but i had employment full time for 3 years, part time for 2, i also interned and had a lot of hardships that i overcame (schools like seeing that) and i am foreign to boot so i am considered first generation college student here… ohh yah and i am a semi- high school drop out, i took the CHSPE when i left.
So i am the total opposite of the type of students you see here. But i was balanced as an applicant, i had solid reasons for haveing 19 W’s (yes 19) on my application. Your reason is “i wanted to take 100 units in two years” . </p>
<p>You have a solid GPA, you need to build the other portions of your application to be just as solid if you want to be a good competitive applicant for these schools.</p>
<p>Edit: in regards to your friends, you only know half the story. You never know what kind of personal things people write in their Essays. In reality if i went around telling people i had a 3.4 and got into UCLA a lot of people would get the wrong idea about the admissions process b/c i never advertised to my friends my personal problems, my work load and internships. People do their own thing usually and sometimes they dont deem it important to mention things to friends that they mention on their applications.</p>
<p>lol! I just asked feedback… as far as the academic part is concerned…
I never even posted my ec’s…clubs. volunteer stuff…employment… etc!</p>
<p>I decided to replace Wharton with Ross…</p>
<p>Hmm… now I have realized … that I don’t really stand a good chance at my top 10 universities… and I will be 24/7 prepared to pack my bag and go to Syracuse University.</p>