Chance an OOS'er for McCombs

<p>I lived in Texas from K-8th and moved to Arizona for a specific high school that my dad attended. So, interestingly, I grew up dreaming of UT as an in-stater, and am now applying as an OOS'er. I visited yesterday and am extremely excited, and this is definitely my number one choice.</p>

<p>Schools I am applying to:
1. McCombs School of Business
2. Liberal Arts
3. Undergrad (by default)</p>

<p>I would like to know my chances of getting into each of these schools, and any recommendations for improving these chances are greatly appreciated.</p>

<p>Stats:
GPA: 3.734 UW / 4.009 Weighted (We are on a college grading scale that receives +/- 0.33 for grades like A- or B+)</p>

<p>Rank: Our school is an extremely competitive all-boys school, and we do not release rank.</p>

<p>SAT: 660 M / 600 W / 600 CR</p>

<p>ACT: 27</p>

<p>Extracurriculars:</p>

<p>-Over 100 hours of community service, done at various locations, such as Feeding the Homeless and working at a daycare center.
- 4 Years on the wrestling team (3 on Varsity)
- Member of various clubs for 2-3 years
- Currently holding a job at Pac Sun that I have had since March (Hoping this helps as I am applying to business school and holding a retail position)
- I am starting a club this year called the Feed the Homeless club, and while I realize it is a little late to be doing so, I still think it should help me.</p>

<p>Other Info:
-I can write stellar essays, as writing is my strong point
-I plan on raising my scores as I realize they are a weak point in my application.</p>

<p>Probably a 5% chance. I knew someone who applied to Mccombs OOS with VERY similar stats to you except he had a 1990 SAT and got rejected. I would say you could get your chances up to about 50% if you got a 2200 SAT or a 32 ACT.</p>

<p>EDIT- sorry if that sounded harsh, but Mccombs is by far the toughest UT college to get into. It’s hard for in-state kids, so OOS kids have to have REALLY good stats. Make sure to raise those test scores and write AMAZING essays.</p>

<p>No, no honesty is great and I appreciate your feedback. What do you think about Liberal Arts or general acceptance?</p>

<p>Liberal arts would be WAY easier (some people don’t realize how competitive Mccombs is). You would probably get in there or even general acceptance, but it couldn’t hurt to raise your test scores even for that. I would say 2000+ SAT would keep you safe for Lib. Arts and General.</p>

<p>McCombs isn’t THE hardest college to get into at UT–that would be Architecture and/or Fine Arts.</p>

<p>Thanks for the input, any other opinions?</p>

<p>FYI- I have taken fairly rigorous classes every year, and when I graduate next year I will have taken twelve honors and three APs.</p>

<p>As a school counselor, I would recommend applying to UT as a liberal arts major or general admission. You could always apply to McCombs as an internal transfer. You seem to like UT and if it seems like a good fit, give yourself the best chance of admission to the University. Be sure to review the internal transfer stats so you know if you have a better chance of admission than as a freshman.</p>

<p>The University automatically reviews you for general admission as your third choice, and I was told that you are reviewed by each school you apply for. So, putting McCombs as my first choice doesn’t hurt me, correct?</p>

<p>^ OP, I think your evaluation is on target. </p>

<p>Unless someone can articulate how your chances of admission to COLA will actually be hurt if you list McCombs as first choice, your application strategy is appropriate (and as you note, you have the backup of undeclared in UGS). I think the key is simply presenting a picture of who are are, your strengths and interests and your goals, in a way that makes you attractive to both colleges. Honestly, imagining your HS curriculum and noting your writing skill, I think you’ll know exactly how to handle this. Here are a couple of links that provide food for thought:</p>

<p>[UT</a> College of Liberal Arts](<a href=“http://www.utexas.edu/cola/student-affairs/Academic-Planning/Prospective.php]UT”>http://www.utexas.edu/cola/student-affairs/Academic-Planning/Prospective.php)
[Plan</a> II Honors Program](<a href=“http://www.utexas.edu/cola/progs/plan2/admission/]Plan”>http://www.utexas.edu/cola/progs/plan2/admission/)</p>

<p>If obtaining a business degree is really and truly what you want, then you’d be wise to think hard before banking on internal transfer vs. matriculating as a freshman at another business school. This is what McCombs says about admission as an internal transfer:</p>

<p>“It is not recommended that students enroll in another college at UT Austin on the assumption that they will transfer into the McCombs School of Business.” </p>

<p>You can read the details and stats on internal transfer admissions from 2003-2011 here: [Getting</a> Admitted | McCombs School of Business | The University of Texas at Austin](<a href=“http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/BBA/Prospective/Admission/Internal%20Transfer.aspx]Getting”>http://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/BBA/Prospective/Admission/Internal%20Transfer.aspx)</p>

<p>So, your chances of making a 3.8 freshman and sophomore years, plus meeting all the other internal transfer requirements, may indeed <em>prove</em> better than your chances of securing admission as a freshman…but before you even step foot on a college campus, how can you compare the odds? </p>

<p>Right now, you recognize your test scores are your Achilles’ heel. Everything else looks great, and strong writing is a huge plus! Studies show it’s unrealistic to expect a significant score increase on retake without commensurate effort, which may take more time (and interest) than you have! Neither of my kids could stand for much test prep, so instead of paying for weeks-long prep courses, I paid for them to have one expensive session ($150/hour in our locale) of one-on-one tutoring to learn tricks/tips in improving narrowly targeted problem areas that accounted for significant point loss, e.g., tutor told kid 1, your past test shows you consistently miss type A, B and C math questions, here is the test strategy for dealing with type A, B and C math questions. Both of them responded well to focused test prep and got the point increases they needed. You don’t need to hire a tutor to accomplish the same success–the point is simply to use the detailed score reports from your past tests to identify what types of questions cause you the greatest point loss. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>WOW. Thank you TXArtemis, that post was extremely in-depth and very thought provoking. People like you are who I was hoping to run into by posting this thread on here. I definitely agree with you that getting in as a freshman will be, in a sense, “easier”, and I am doing everything within my willpower to raise my test scores to do so. I will take your advice to heart about honing on specific areas, and will probably start with my lowest score. Again, thank you so much for your insight, I appreciate it SO SO SO much.</p>

<p>Any other insights?</p>

<p>My personal tip for raising test scores is this: PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE</p>

<p>Unless you actually are very weak in math or another subject and do need extra help, prep classes imo are not necessary. Gather a lot of prep books with tons of practice tests, lock yourself with just a timer and the test, and just keep testing over and over again. I did this and got my SAT score to rise from 1900 to 1950 (not amazing but SAT was my Achilles heel) and got a 32 on my first try for ACT.</p>

<p>I’m in McCombs for class of 2015, and I think now that they’re doing the holistic process it will be MORE competitive for you. Really dedicate to your extra curricular activities, because everyone has done tons of community service, been members of various clubs, and had a job. You need to take your own unique spin onto your credentials. I didn’t emphasize my “list” of activities and achievements, but focused on which activities impacted my life the most (which were just two, my job and debate team). I talked about everything I learned and gained as a hardcore debater for one essay, and for another I explained how my job taught me to think like a businessman and put my personal issues aside.</p>

<p>Do I think you have a chance? I’m not completely sure with the new admissions. But That’s my two cents.</p>

<p>“I talked about everything I learned and gained as a hardcore debater…”</p>

<p>LOL</p>