Chance Me- CA resident Female SDSU, UCSD [3.6 GPA, humanities, English, communications]

Demographics
US Citizen
CA
Rising Senior
Female

Intended Major(s)
Still deciding, but considering Liberal Arts/Humanities (non-teaching), English, or Communications.
GPA, Rank, and Test Scores
(UW) 3.6
(W) 3.73

  • Class Rank: 186/860 or 22%
  • ACT/SAT Scores:
    SAT: 1140

Coursework
AP Environmental Science (9th Grade)
AP Language (11th)
AP Psychology (11th)
AP Literature (upcoming, 12th)
AP Government (upcoming, 12th)
AP Macro Economics (upcoming, 12th)
3 years math, and taking Math Analysis (upcoming, 12th)
3 years Spanish
Taking Journalism (upcoming, 12th)
Honors Chemistry (11th)
I enjoy writing, so I’ve been taking a lot of English courses, along with Journalism.

Extracurriculars
I volunteered and helped out at a dog rescue on occasion
Creative writing in my free time
I was Secretary to a club at my school- taking minutes and marketing.
I don’t have very many, and I’m not entirely sure what counts as an EC. I am concerned that I don’t have enough ECs, and I was wondering if that would impact my chances of getting accepted at any college.

Essays/LORs/Other
I’ve started 3/4 of my personal insight questions for the UC applications, and I am confident on one, but the others need more work. I am hoping to submit them for feedback here. My English teacher from last year has agreed to write me a LOR. I am not sure if I need more than one LOR.

Cost Constraints / Budget
I am hoping to get financial aid and scholarships to help bring down the cost. I think the most my family can spend is $15-20K.

Schools

  • Safety *
    CSUN
  • Likely *
    ASU (I applied early, and in my haste I did not submit the optional essay- hoping for a Merit Scholarship)
    CS Fullerton
    SF State
  • Reach
    SDSU (my top choice)
    UCSD
    I’m not in the community of San Diego, and I know that it is an impacted school, so I know it will be more difficult for me to get in. I also believe that CS Fullerton is impacted.

Your test won’t matter.

SDSU is becoming a tough admit. But with your class rank, you have a chance. Your GPA though makes it unlikely - based on what they report - but not impossible.

Yes, you’re going to need grants - there are state programs others will know more about.

But you might find yourself in community college for monetary purposes - which can lead to SDSU later with saved money.

Financial Aid Programs - California Student Aid Commission

Correct me if I’m wrong, but with this list, you won’t need any LORs. Also the Cal States tend to be less interested in ECs and more interested in stats. Both SDSU and UCSD are hard admits (and your GPA is on the low side for them), but your likelies and safety look pretty good, as long as you would be happy to go attend one of them if your reaches don’t pan out.

California is quite generous with aid - depending on income, make sure you apply for the Cal grant and, also depending on income, you may also qualify for the middle class scholarship. You can use those at any California school.

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Agree. Please log in to the California Student Aid Commission (CSAC).https://www.csac.ca.gov

This is the entity that handles student aid and grants for California students. Familiarize yourself with the website. Make an account under the WebGrants4students: https://mygrantinfo.csac.ca.gov

If you need AID make sure you and your parents fill out the FAFSA before the March 2nd deadline if you plan to ask for the CalGrant or the Middle Class Scholarship to enter college in Fall of 2024. Every year the deadline is March 2nd. You will do this for all four years while you are in college and need grant dollars to attend.

Before the March 2nd deadline, your parents will submit their tax records from 2 years ago. The California Student Aid Commission (CSAC) will use those records to evaluate how much you need to attend your school. You don’t need to know, NOW, where you will attend but they will want to know where you applied so they can estimate your costs for those colleges. After your meet the March deadline, the schools where you have applied, will begin to note what additional scholarships and grants you may qualify to receive at that California university.

I know this is a LOT of information. You should be receiving some Cal Grant information at your high school. Go to those information sessions that are created for you and your parents.

They will have local Community College and university reps there. The CC people can answer financial aid questions because it’s usually the same across the California universities. Ask questions.

You will not have to repay a CalGrant, nor a scholarship given by the State nor a university grant given by your college. (On your financial aid “awards page”, it may say “UG” and a dollar amount. This is money from the university and is labeled as “university grant” which you don’t need to repay.) Your parents have been paying California State taxes, so you can apply for any state funding that is available

(Loans are a different issue. You are allowed to refuse loans and don’t have to take them.)

I am attaching the CALGRANT Fact sheet so that you can familiarize yourself with that funding. If you don’t qualify for a CalGrant, the CSAC will see if you and your family will qualify for the Middle Class Scholarship which has reserved additional funding recently from the California Legislature’s new rules.

Good luck! Ask questions often!

Edited to Add: CalGrants are only available for California schools. You cannot use state funding to attend a school that is not in California. So, you can’t use the funds for ASU. You can use the funding for public schools like UC’s and CSU’s and privates like U of San Fran, U of San Diego, Chapman University, Loyola Marymount, Stanford, USC, etc. as long as the school is in California.

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Welcome to College confidential. First you need to calculate your CSU and UC GPA’s. If you have not taken any college/ DE courses then using the calculator link below, your UC Capped weighted GPA is also your CSU capped weighted GPA. The UC’s will also consider your Unweighted and Fully weighted UC GPA’s in their application review.

https://rogerhub.com/gpa-calculator-uc/

SAT/ACT scores are not considered in the application review for either the Cal States or UC’s. Class rank is not considered unless you are ELC (top 9%) for the UC’s. LOR’s are by invitation only for the UC Berkeley campus. The majority of the CSU’s will not consider your EC’s and the campuses which do consider EC’s, you cannot list them in detail but only give average hours/week in which you participate.

Are you local to CSU Fullerton, Northridge or Sacramento State? As a local applicant, you get extra points in the Multi-Factor admission review or a CSU GPA bump or a guaranteed admission to the University (not necessarily your choice major) or a combination of these local applicant advantages.

Both Fullerton and SDSU are fully impacted campuses so even if local, you are not guaranteed admission to your preferred major.

All Cal states admit by major but if unsure, Undeclared is an option but can be just as competitive as listing a major at time of your application submission.

Below is a link for SDSU’s admit rates by major: Applications by Major – Analytic Studies & Institutional Research

Average CSU Capped weighted CSU GPA for admitted SDSU applicants has been around a 3.97-4.02 but it varies by intended major and this data is not available. Average enrolled CSU Capped weighted GPA is 3.87. Enrolled GPA is always lower than admitted GPA.

Here is SDSU’s admission factors and most of the CSU’s use similar criteria: MULTI-FACTORED ADMISSION: Due to not requiring test scores, we no longer use an Eligibility Index per se. Instead, as an impacted campus, admission is based on many factors. Weighted CSU GPA is the largest factor, but we also consider amount of A-G courses above and beyond the minimum, preparation towards intended major (courses and GPA), HS course rigor, first-gen, and local status.

For UCSD, below are the admit rates based on the Capped weighted UC GPA. You are reviewed on 13 factors by the UC”s.
2022 Admit rates based on the Capped weighted UC GPA.

Campus 4.00+ 3.70-3.99 3.30-3.69 3.00-3.29
Berkeley 17% 3% 1% 0%
Davis 58% 20% 5% 2%
Irvine 35% 10% 3% 0%
Los Angeles 13% 2% 1% 0%
Merced 97% 97% 95% 85%
Riverside 95% 83% 42% 17%
San Diego 37% 8% 1% 0%
Santa Barbara 41% 8% 3% 0%
Santa Cruz 69% 45% 16% 4%

https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/how-to-apply/applying-as-a-freshman/how-applications-are-reviewed.html

Average UC Capped weighted GPA for UCSD is around a 4.16.

UC’s and CSU’s give good need-based financial aid to eligible students but merit scholarships are highly competitive and small amounts in general.

You can get an estimate of your costs by running the Net Price Calculator (NPC) for each school of interest. Financial Aid Estimator.

https://sacd.sdsu.edu/financial-aid/financial-aid/eligibility/cost-of-attendance/net-price-calculator

SFSU would be a Very Likely/Safety.
CSUN would be Safety if local. Likely if non-local.
Sac State would be a Very likely (92% admit rate).
CSU Fullerton a likely if local or Target if non-local. (66% admit rate)
SDSU is a probably a Reach depending upon major and CSU GPA. (39% admit rate)
UCSD is a High Reach depending upon major and UC GPA’s.

I would add a few more CSUs to the list for Target schools such as San Marcos, Cal Poly Pomona (again major dependent), San Jose State, Sonoma State as possible options.

Since you plan to apply to UCSD, I would add UC Riverside and Santa Cruz into the mix since they have higher admit rates than SDSU along being able to go into detail about your EC’s and personal insight essays.

Apply widely, run the NPC’s and best of luck.

What are your UC/CSU GPAs as recalculated by GPA Calculator for the University of California – RogerHub ?

UCs and CSUs do not consider SAT / ACT scores or recommendations for admission (except in some cases, UCB may invite some applicants to submit optional recommendations), although SAT / ACT scores may be used for some placement purposes.

Regarding your colleges:

For the California public universities, check their net price calculators on their web sites to see if their financial aid is likely to make them affordable.

Thank you for all of the information, I really appreciate it. I will look into the financial aid portion with my parents.

Hello,
Is it possible to get more clarification on the EC portion of the application that you mentioned? The Cal State schools that I’m considering don’t use the Common App, and I’m unsure where to list the ECs when applying. Also, I was looking on the SDSU application requirements, and it mentioned an essay/personal statement- can I use my PIQs from the UC application here as well- or is it supposed to be more in-depth?
Thank you.

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SDSU does not accept any essays or personal statements so I do not know where you saw that they do?

The application for the Cal states including SDSU does not open until October 1, so I do no know what you are referencing?

SDSU admission factors:
MULTI-FACTORED ADMISSION: Due to not requiring test scores, we no longer use an Eligibility Index per se. Instead, as an impacted campus, admission is based on many factors. Weighted CSU GPA is the largest factor, but we also consider amount of A-G courses above and beyond the minimum, preparation towards intended major (courses and GPA), HS course rigor, first-gen, and local status.

For the Cal states, you have to apply using the CSU application. On the CSU application, some campuses will have additional questions listed under the Program Materials section. You do not list your EC’s on the CSU application. For example, Cal Poly SLO will ask about how much time you spend on your EC’s with hours/week, ask if you held any leadership positions, if you have a job and is it major related. There is no where you can go into detail about your EC’s or specifically list them.

For the Cal States, they admit based on CSU capped weighted GPA, HS course rigor, # of a-g courses completed, if you are within the local service area and if you are considered first generation as noted by the SDSU factors.

Some schools have Impaction indexes or MFA index/thresholds based on majors such as SJSU and Cal Poly Pomona where you can plug in your stats to see if meet or exceed the previous year’s major thresholds.

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Okay, thank you for answering my questions, I understand now.

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