Chance me for ASU Barret

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<p>Hello everyone, I am a Junior in High School right now and was just wondering if someone could chance me for the Barret Honors College at ASU.</p>

<p>I am:
White Male
Az Resident</p>

<p>GPA: 3.43 U.W (4.0 W)</p>

<p>Sat: 1990
CR:670
M:680
W:640</p>

<p>I plan on taking the SAT at least 1 more time</p>

<p>ACT:
Composite:31
E:32
M:31
R:31
S:29</p>

<p>I plan on taking the ACT at least 1 more time</p>

<p>E.C: 1 year of Freshman Football, 2 years(so far) of Varsity Track. Planning on doing track once more during senior year. Camp Counselor community service for at least 50 hours every summer over the last 4 years. Assistant Basketball Coach for a Y.M.C.A team and Assistant Soccer Coach for a Rec. girls team. Member of Mock Trial and the Bowling Club.</p>

<p>Work: Began working last summer for my first job at a small breakfast store. Worked over 300 hours over 2 months during the summer and plan on working their again this summer.</p>

<p>Thats about it, thanks for anyone who responds to this.</p>

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<p>With a 1350 SAT and In-State you will likely be admitted to Barrett, with your current SAT if I were you and you plan to take again, aim for 1400 and consider more highly selective schools both East and West Coast, consider liberal Arts Colleges (LACs), most of them are EC but there are a few in Ca that like AZ students, aim higher and use ASU as a safety if all else fails and you don’t get accepted elsewhere. Try to get a leadership position in one of your EC"s anyone of them!, anything in school is good but try to get something, it really helps. ASU should be your safety!</p>

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<p>@Englishman. I agree that Bails should get admitted to Barrett. I also agree that he should apply to other colleges too. But I disagree with your implicit dismissal of Barrett (“aim higher”).</p>

<p>First, Barrett will likely cost much less than out-of-state schools. Second, Bails will get a first-class education at Barrett.</p>

<p>I have visited Barrett twice with my three sons and it is a very impressive place (and we have visited 15 colleges, including Stanford, Caltech, Pomona, and Michigan). The dedicated facilities are incredible (dorms, cafeteria, gym, etc.). A Barrett graduate can go just about anywhere for graduate school and Barrett’s job placement rate is outstanding. The 1300 average SAT score is up there with all but the very best liberal art schools. Barrett’s 4-year graduation rate is 73%, right up there with some of the best private schools, and over twice the rate for ASU.</p>

<p>My senior son is graduating tonight from Basis Scottsdale, the number two ranked high school in the U.S. He ultimately picked Texas A&M over six other colleges, but still was very impressed with Barrett. From his graduating class, four are going to Stanford, three to Brown, one to Harvard, and one to Duke. But there are probably 20 classmates going to Barrett next year and some only applied to Barrett, including the valedictorian. I know several Basis Scottsdale graduates who are completing their first and second years at Barrett and absolutely love it there. </p>

<p>Ultimately, it’s about what you can afford and where you feel at home.</p>

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<p>Thank you Beaudreau. It’s so nice to hear this viewpoint from Arizona natives who are well-informed. Englishman’s frequent ASU-bashing posts have been a source of distress to me. My D is an OOS Barrett student and loves it. I’ve visited several times and have great impressions, but still, as a resident of a far off state, often am driven to wonder what it is that I’m not seeing after reading some of these posts of his. All I can figure is that he is trying to drive himself out of his teaching job at ASU. Many of D’s Barrett friends attended private Phoenix-area high schools and had many other college options, so I know what you say is true. Thanks again and I hope your son has a great 4 years at Texas A&M.That is a school we also looked at for D. </p>

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<p>@celesteroberts. You are welcome. I did not know that Englishman had prior anti-ASU posts. He just seemed terribly uniformed. </p>

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<p>@Beaudreau et @celesteroberts . It’s always better to have multiple opinions in order to orient onesown, Beaudreau like myself has an instate opinion which is objective whilst well informed since we are ‘close’ to ASU, I’ll agree with your points and differ somewhat on others. </p>

<p>Barrett is a nice place, the dorms are nice and only ‘better students’ are admitted but we have students admitted with lower in-state SAT scores and 3.4 GPA’s so in-state entrance is decidedly easier than oos<br>
A Barrett graduation rate of 74% is unfortunately lost in ASU’s grad rate of below 40%, plus you are always painted with the same brush all ASU student are tarred with!.</p>

<p>Our DS14 too is going oos for a private LAC, we didn’t look at ASU for him since he would only consider UofA as a safety. Our bf’s son is at Brophy, I was somewhat shocked to find the majority of their students go in-state and most to ASU and Barrett, which always amuses me paying for private K-12 $14K pa and sending your son to ASU!.</p>

<p>Many good students go to ASU (we have a policy of buying/offering NMF aid to the most students in the country) since its cheaper and most often they live at home and commute that’s the norm, even freshman do this, my sons gf is going in the fall and she will commute the 20 mins to ASU.<br>
But at the end of the day I’m sure you may well agree, you’re going to ASU, employers don’t differentiate, you went to ASU that’s all they want to know and the certainly don’t care about honors.</p>

<p>More specifically, my DS14 also graduated also last night from one of the top public HS in the State, the majority of students are going to ASU also, many I believe 60 are going to Barrett, why? it’s cheap and they can live at home for 3 years and not spend oos costs, to compare if needed pretty much all the top 10% always take a safety and get admitted to ASU or UofA, most do not attend as they are accepted to oos privates, UC’s or Ivies. </p>

<p>You are right, ultimately it’s where they will be happy and quite right also it’s what you can afford and when you live at home, since ASU can only accomodate around 10-12K of the 74K enrolled, it is cheaper, perhaps savings funds for grad school.</p>

<p>Every student should have a safety and ASU is it for many and many students need it for financial reasons, but at the end of the day like Barrett it is only ASU and you will for ever be a graduate of ASU if you are one of the 4 in 10 who actually graduate in 4 years. We’ll see if I continue at ASU they continue to prefer adjunct faculty to teach undergrad, but that’s fine, but I would not send my son there. Good luck in TX.</p>

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<p>It’s very peculiar that U of Arizona has almost identical %ages of freshmen and of undergrads living on campus as ASU,yet you never seem to find it a reason to slam your older son’s school the way you do to ASU.</p>

<p>How do you know they live at home after freshman year? Do you have data to prove that not many live in the areas around campus in apts and houses? That is the common way of handling living arrangements after freshman year at most public universities.Some from the same community commute from parents’ home and others take apts. Very few public universities have university owned dorm space for all their students. If my son attends our flagship down the street, I expect him to follow the dorm to apt pattern.He’s welcome to live at home of course, but we don’t expect that.</p>

<p>Of course my D will graduate from ASU. Is that supposed to be a bad thing? The first year or 2 experience is Barrett-centered, but the university is ASU, yes, so? What is this brush anyway? </p>

<p>Error: that’s more like 15,000 according to CDS, not 10,000-12,000</p>

<p>BTW, I know of some families whose kids are attending ASU OOS over top 20 schools when they have to pay the same or more for ASU. So your generalizations and anecdotal info is just that. Generalizations and anecdotes.We can all produce anecdotes that support our opinions.</p>

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<p>@Englishman. You really need to check your facts before posting and not make assumptions. Barrett freshman are required to live in the dorms and many of them live there or close by for all four years at ASU.</p>

<p>You have no idea why 60 students are going to Barrett. Maybe they like it because it’s inexpensive, they will get a good education, and then they will either get into graduate school or get hired by a good employer.</p>

<p>60% of Barrett graduates go on to professional school. If you are going on to professional school (law, business, medicine), it makes very little difference where you went to college. I have had many prominent professionals tell me exactly this, including one very prominent doctor who refuse to pay for private school because he believes it’s a waste of money. And why doesn’t it matter? If your grades and test scores are top notch, you will have exactly the same chance for graduate school as someone from an Ivy. And once you are a professional, no one cares where you went to college. They want to know where you went to graduate/post graduate school. </p>

<p>I’m sure the Brophy parents will be pleased how amused you are that their kids go to ASU/Barrett. I will pass your silent chortles along to my next-door neighbor. He couldn’t see the value of sending his Brophy graduate 2400 miles away to Fordham and then spending almost $60,000 per year for four years. It’s a shame that he couldn’t have talked to you first to get his mind right.</p>

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<p>@celesteroberts. The major differences between ASU and U of A is this for In-state students, ASU draws so many students from the Phoenix-metro area far more than the dorms can handle freshman year, few very few Sopho’s let alone juniors ever stay in dorms at ASU, and I am not sure that even Barrett students can stay in dorms past their second year. At UofA the oos students fill all the dorms freshman and they also have to option to dorm 2nd year, often times in-state Phoenix students dorm their 2nd year, my DS11 could have but moved into the fraternity house his HS bf lived in the dorms sophomore year. Further many more Phoenix students attend ASU as a % than Tucson students attend UofA, I heard from admissions its like 60%/40%, so a student has a much higher chance to dorm at UofA second year than an ASu student during their sophomore year. Anecodtotal I agree!</p>

<p>I have to disagree graduating from ASU is not recognized as a good thing, it is one of the easiest schools in the country to get into, that’s my point, students go there often because its easy to get into, Barrett has become embarassingly easy recent years to get in because its so large, Barrett and 6000 students is more than 3 x larger than my DS14 LAC, student/faculty ratio even at Barrett is nowhere near LAC levels because ASU is SO BIG. As an employer ASU students generally are not as bright as other colleges, good but not really a generally ‘bright’ as UC or East Coast Privates or Publics. I can call a Purdue/NYU/PennState /UCSD/UCLA grad from an ASU student most days and I know which all other things being equal will get the job.</p>

<p>To @beaudreau’s point Whilst I agree a good proportion of ASU/Barrett students go onto to grad school, you would have to admit they don’t do so at the same rate or to most schools which often OOS privates or even UC’s do.
I was at Vassar recently and their grad school rate was far higher than ASU/Barrett and the school’s Wesleyan grads get into was off the charts comp to ASU (btw I popped into career services at ASU to check)!, They are in a different league.</p>

<p>It’s a different league!, you either buy a Ford to get you from A to B and don’t care about the ride, or you buy a BMW get a different vehicle and are known to drive a BMW, even though the Ford may get you to the same place in the same time, horses for courses!</p>

<p>I agree with your neighbor I would not send my DS to Fordham (overrated catholic school) for Brophy kids who want to be in NYC, but when you DS is good enough to get full tuition to an EC private LAC, why not when it could cost less than in-state public and they get 4 years on campus dorms!</p>

<p>One last point to Beaudreau I DO think it makes difference to Grad schools where you got your undergrad, whilst I agree after grad school your undergrad matter less. Competitive programs at PharmaD schools in the Midwest and EC are very keen on where you did your undergrad and to get into a Top 10 law School, YOU really do need to be graduating from a better undergrad program (ASU does not cut it) if you want a good chance to be accepted, I am not familiar with Med schools, not my area, but I do suspect it is the same, your undergrad University or college I really do think matters. I recently interviewed for ASU a grad from Berkeley, who did grad school at U Mich, he got the nod over another who graduated from ASU and did grad school at U Washington, both good grad school programs but the ASU grad could not play with the Berkeley undergrads SAT/Scores and known selective nature (% admittance), ASU is NOT as strong at getting grads into top grad school programs, it cant be, though there should be exceptions at Barrett/ASU.</p>

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<p>@Englishman. It’s almost as easy to look up the facts rather than just make them up. <a href=“LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You”>LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You. Click the second hit: <a href=“Facts and Figures | Barrett, The Honors College | ASU”>http://barretthonors.asu.edu/about/facts/&lt;/a&gt; Barrett has 4,803 students on four campuses, with 4061 on the Tempe campus. </p>

<p>This thread is about Barrett, not ASU. I get it that you hate ASU and it’s sad for you to have to teach at a place you hate.</p>

<p>Barrett graduates go to some of the top graduate schools the U.S., including Harvard Law School, and medical schools at Johns Hopkins, Yale, and Stanford. <a href=“http://barretthonors.asu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Grad-Brag-Sheet-12-13_Graph_2.pdf”>http://barretthonors.asu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Grad-Brag-Sheet-12-13_Graph_2.pdf&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>Look, I understand that Barrett is not for everyone. My oldest boy decided on Texas A&M. My rising senior son will probably go to a small school with a strong engineering program like Rose Hulman or Santa Clara. My rising junior son is early in the process; he likes Barrett a lot, but he is also thinking about the Corps of Cadets at Texas A&M (and I suspect that this option appalls you).</p>

<p>My point is that Barrett is a very good option for many graduates. We are fortunate that great Arizona students do not have to go out-of-state for a superior education. And many OOS students are attracted to Barrett. 21% are OOS and 4% are international students. </p>

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<p>@Beaudreau. I don’t disagree ASU can be a good option for many AZ High School grads, to your point, you note that 80% of Barrett students are from Arizona, that in my opinion is not really what I want for my son, nor I suspect do you for yours, it’s like just another 4 years at High School with the same kids!</p>

<p>Truly I don’t hate ASU, but what I try to do, adjunct as I am, is to ensure interested students and families are ensuring they have all the facts and understand the possible outcomes of an education at ASU, it is cheap, but often times, I like others have found, you get what you pay for.</p>

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<p>@Englishman, a couple of points

  1. I’m not sure whose DS you are referring to who got the full tuition award at EC LACs. In case it is your DS, I will reiterate what I told you in a previous post. Those LACs your son was considering do not give merit aid, NOT A PENNY. It has nothing to do with being ‘good enough,’ except to get admitted in the first place. It’s called financial aid and it is wholly dependent on your financial circumstances. Telling people one got full tuition merit awards at schools that do not give them serves only to further the rampant misinformed ideas people have about merit aid at universities, that is, it serves nobody. </p>

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<li><p>At Barrett students can stay 3rd year and if they apply by the deadline they can retain the same room they had sophomore year. On our first visit our ASU tour guide was a Barrett senior who stayed in the dorms the first 3 years. Now that Barrett added Vista buildings to their dorms, the 3rd year option has become very popular.</p></li>
<li><p>Fact- from UA and ASU CDSs. 70% of ASU freshmen live in dorms. 72% of UA freshmen live in dorms. The difference is not significant. So I don’t know what it is your are talking about up there, but facts are facts.</p></li>
<li><p>Some kids LIKE big state schools. It is a wonderful thing that there are so many different kinds of schools out there that there is a good fit available for everyone(though getting that at an affordable price can be another matter.) If I tried to send my kids to a tiny LAC in the middle of nowhere, they would think I was punishing them. That’s just not my kids’ kettle of tea, you know. So I should send them to UCB or UM and company for $55 grand a year because there are only 5-6 big state schools that pass your sniff test? Hah!</p></li>
<li><p>My H is on a grad admissions committee. In his field the things that matter are GRE score, quality of research work done if any, and recommendation letters.The actual undergrad school attended matters only indirectly. If a student is motivated and can find good prof to work with at a lesser ranked school, then the name of the school doesn’t matter. ASU has made a practice of hiring stars when they can and has many many people doing great work. You just have to connect with them. In my D’s major, this may mean doing applied work as that is where the best profs are in her dept.</p></li>
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<p>Barrett has much to offer. In response to the student who has posted, I would say, “You are likely to be accepted. Take a tour, meet with representatives of the college(s) you are most interested in, and see what it is for yourself.” There are special opportunities available to Barrett students in, for instance, the business college. Large schools, such as ASU, can have resources and opportunities that smaller schools do not. Every student can find a niche. At such a large school, it is important to be involved and find a community, and Barrett can help with that. If you are interested in staying in the area to work, you will already be building something.</p>

<p>Arizona is a beautiful state, if you don’t already know. If you enjoy the outdoors, so much the better, once you learn to deal with the sun. ASU is itself a vibrant, not-so-small city filled with young people of all kinds.</p>

<p>Anywhere, but especially at a large school, it is important to stay focused and self-motivated, even as you explore and have fun. If you are interested in grad school, ASU can help you get there – don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. If your dream is an “elite” grad school, that is absolutely possible. I know recent ASU grads who were accepted to Harvard Law School, Yale Law School, a University of Edinburgh Ph.D program, prestigious medical and dental schools, and all the rest. </p>

<p>If you don’t know what you want to do yet, ASU will be a great place to discover yourself and explore your interests – another advantage of size – so much is available. </p>

<p>Congratulations, best wishes, and good luck!</p>

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<p>It is all about fit honest and truly. I have 4 children all went to very different schools. Each school fit them and allowed them success because they learned so much and left or are leaving with great confidence. Dear friends dad and son asu grads and tremendously successful. Very motivated. Kids from our high school,that wanted " party" as their criteria did not succeed at ASU. I actually have a kid that goes to Fordham w some merit money and he is a city kid. 2 years there and the opportunities are amazing. Year long in school internships, access to finance, advertising, banking, fashion, communications guest lecturers and informational interviews in abundance. That campus is simply gorgeous and they have D1 sports. President inspires them to " minor in " NYC". 2 of my other children went to "higher ranked " schools that suited them but this is the place my son has maximized his potential. He declined those schools for the nyc cache and it was a great choice. There is no chance he would be excelling in the other cultural settings that were not his people. BC housing and cut throat volunteerism (really) was a turn off. Wisconsin had higher ranked program but too big. He never applied to NYU as he needed a campus. Several friends I know declined BC, Georgetown , Hopkins, cornell etc… for lesser ranked schools due to money or competition or culture. They excelled at their choice because the fit was right and all 4 mentioned above went on to stellar grad programs. With money! Barrett and ASU are great schools. Colleges want their students and especially alumni </p>

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<p>Interesting if 2013 analysis of Honors Colleges at larger Universities. I noted that ASU is only listed once at #17</p>

<p><a href=“http://publicuniversityhonors.com/400-2/”>http://publicuniversityhonors.com/400-2/&lt;/a&gt; Not listed at all for Business or Engineering?</p>

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<p>Englishman, they are just listing US News rankings of selected grad programs there, picking only public universities’ rankings and listing only top 25 programs. </p>

<p>Nobody is saying ASU is a top university. But they do do certain things competently or better. Here are some of the rankings for them, with subcategories following in parentheses:</p>

<h1>27 Business (#3 supply chain.) UA is #48 business.</h1>

<h1>12 Criminology</h1>

<h1>22 Fine arts(#7 ceramics, #5 printmaking, #11 photography) UA is #36 Fine arts.</h1>

<h1>31 Law (#10 dispute resolution, #8 legal writing.) UA is #40 Law.</h1>

<h1>18 Education. UA is #48 Education.</h1>

<h1>21 Speech language pathology (subcategory of health, UA is #5 here)</h1>

<h1>43 Engineering. UA is #55</h1>

<p>These are just a few categories, ones that ASU does OK in. UA ranks much higher than ASU in many disciplines, of course, but ASU ranks higher than UA in some as well.</p>

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<p>thxs, @Beaudreau :-t </p>

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<p>“Interesting if 2013 analysis of Honors Colleges at larger Universities. I noted that ASU is only listed once at #17”</p>

<p>That was interesting. You know what was also interesting? That they ranking Barrett #5 in Overall Excellence among public university honors programs, and compare it favorably with UNC, UW, and UT. I call that pretty good company. They go on to say that US News underrates ASU as a whole, and discuss Barrett’s excellence in general. They conclude: “All in all, if you’re looking for an honors program that stands out on its home campus and stands out in the nation, Barrett is a great choice.”</p>

<p><a href=“http://publicuniversityhonors.com/2012/05/26/asus-barrett-honors-college-best-value-added-impact-in-the-nation/”>http://publicuniversityhonors.com/2012/05/26/asus-barrett-honors-college-best-value-added-impact-in-the-nation/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I think you have a high chance of being accepted into Barrett. I made it in with an ACT score of 27, though I did have a 4.0 GPA. But I think your high test scores and extracurriculars would qualify you.
I have friends who probably have the same stats as you, maybe even lower, who have made it in. Just put a lot of effort into the essay, sell yourself! </p>