chance me

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<p>3.5 GPA at McGill University, double major in international development/poli sci</p>

<p>My work experience during undergrad has consisted of:</p>

<p>--intern in NYC mayor's office
--paid intern in NYC Economic Development Corporation</p>

<p>plus Im a paid summer fellow @ Public Policy Junior Institute at Princeton university in summer this summer</p>

<p>LSAT projected to be 168 based on practice exams so far</p>

<p>Chances at Columbia, Harvard, NYU Law?</p>

<p>Also, looking to dual degree program with Princeton Woodrow wilson school, columbia SIPA, and Harvard Kennedy school. GRE score is very good as well.</p>

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<p>Harvard: Denied
NYU, Denied
Columbia: Denied.</p>

<p>Sorry</p>

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<p>GPA is way too low, and even the projected LSAT is as well.</p>

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<p>Hahahaha at least projected LSAT wasn’t something absurd this time…</p>

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<p>aren’t you starting at McGill this fall…?</p>

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<p>yea I’m gonna be a freshman at mcgill this fall. my older brother doesnt have a CC account and he wanted to test out the “chance me” concept</p>

<p>thanks for the input</p>

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<p>honestly to be competitive at any T14, your LSAT should be around 167+, with GPA of 3.6+ (or around top 15% of your college).
I’ve heard that canadian colleges grade harder than comprable american colleges, and if the LSAC takes that into account (what is the average GPA at McGill? I heard that getting even a B in University of British Columbia is considered good, compared to average of B+ in top American colleges).</p>

<p>You might have a 50 50 chance at Cornell, but
Harvard? Get at least 173 on your LSAT
Columbia/NYU? Gete at least 170
Since your gpa is 3.5, even getting that LSAT score will not guarantee at any top law schools (well if you somehow get like 176, then it’s a totally different story)</p>

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<p>This is wrong.</p>

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<p>the average gpa at mcgill is around 3.0 because theres grade deflation there. </p>

<p>why are those lsat scores wrong?</p>

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<p>Wrong because the 25th percentile for admits at Harvard LS is 3.76. This means that unless you get a very strong LSAT to offset your low GPA (a logical guess would be a score above their 75th percentile, which is a lofty 176) you will pretty much land in the auto-reject pile. Sorry.</p>

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<p>Anyway, I’ll prove it with this.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-content/uploads/Law-School-Predictor-Full-Time-Programs.htm[/url]”>http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-content/uploads/Law-School-Predictor-Full-Time-Programs.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>flowerhead/// Then what is correct? Way to be vague.
Harvard: 25th-75th percentile (2008) 171-176
Columbia: 170-175
NYU: 169-173
I guess, to OP, you need around a bit higher than what I posted, since there’s even more competition.</p>

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<p>You listed the middle 50% LSAT scores but failed to incorporate GPA. </p>

<p>Median GPAs of Harvard, Columbia, and NYU are:
H: 3.76-3.96
C: 3.60-3.81
N: 3.57-3.86</p>

<p>General rule of thumb: To be competitive you either have to have both LSAT and GPA in middle 50%, or if you’re in bottom 25% of one category, be in the top 25% of the other. </p>

<p>Since the brother has a 3.5 GPA (bottom 25% for all three schools), respectively my previously stated logic would lead us to believe he would need the following LSAT scores:</p>

<p>H: 177
C: 176
N: 174</p>

<p>I think the numbers for NYU and Columbia are semi-accurate, but I think the LSAT might need to be even higher for Harvard since your GPA is already so much lower than the median–3.5 is pretty near the cusp of the 3.60 and 3.57 GPAs of Columbia and NYU, but it seems pretty far off from the 3.76 of Harvard. As a result, I don’t think bottom of the top 25% would cut it, so I woud probably estimate a 178 or 179 would be needed instead.</p>

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<p>Harvard, under the new dean, absolutely zero chance with a 3.5 even with a 180.</p>

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<p>kaiden//
So like what are chances for applicants who have 75th percentile GPA but 50th percentile LSAT for Top 14 law school? Is it really low?</p>

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<p>^ I’m not sure where you got that idea. </p>

<p>I said that (and it logically makes sense): If you are in the middle 50% of both LSAT and GPA, you are competitive (if you’re the median for both you are by definition the average applicant based on solely numbers). </p>

<p>If you are middle 50% LSAT and above the 75th percentile for GPA you would stand a greater chance than the average applicant. </p>

<p>If you meant 25th percentile GPA, then you still have a chance, albeit you are statistically lower than the average admitted applicant. However, by definition half of the admitted applicants are in this group with you, so all hope is not lost-- just some.</p>

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<p>“Harvard, under the new dean, absolutely zero chance with a 3.5 even with a 180.”</p>

<p>Explain.</p>

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<p>The new dean has been quoted as saying he wants to up admissions standards. Then if you look at LSN you’ll see only one non-URM was admitted this past year with less than a 3.7 and that person had significant and important work experience.</p>

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<p>How much higher can he raise them? Given their huge class size and the fact that they lose most cross-admits to Yale and Stanford, Harvard has to admit the majority of 175+ applicants they get in order to maintain their LSAT distribution. There aren’t 550 4.0/180 applicants out there for them.</p>

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<p>The goal seems to be to raise their GPA standards because it would be impossible to raise LSAT standards really. With increasing applications people there are more people scoring higher on the LSAT. And they can be more selective with GPA. Basically it would seem now that if you are under a 3.8, with any LSAT score you are not a lock. And under a 3.7 you have a very small chance.</p>