Chances at ND

<p>I've been a Notre Dame fan my entire life...but no legacy</p>

<p>ACT 34
SAT 2150 (690M, 720CR, 740W)
PSAT 207</p>

<p>AP US History: 5</p>

<p>3.97 UW GPA, 4.35 W GPA</p>

<p>Speech contest: 4th place at state championship in 2003, 3rd in 2004
Speech contest: invited to judge 2006
Varsity baseball 2 years
National Honor Society 2 years
National Merit Commended
Eagle Scout
Mock Trial (2 yrs state)
Academic Team 3 yr starter
4 years as an Interfaith Retreat leader and guide
4 years National Youth Leader Training (participant, 3 years staff)
All honors classes
Tutoring (struggling inner-city grade school twice a week)
Active at Catholic church as a server and in Knights of Columbus
National Latin Exam magna cum laude (gold medal)
Youth baseball umpire</p>

<p>Any help or insight will be greatly appreciated... Thanks!</p>

<p>I think your stats look good and you should have a good chance and may even be able to apply EA (though you may want to think about re-taking the SAT in that case). Good luck!</p>

<p>I think your chances are good, as well. Make sure you submit a very strong essay.</p>

<p>What are the benefits of going EA? At my school the kids who went EA to Notre Dame got rejected, and the common ones had the only acceptances. I also know that admissions tends to be more conservative during EA. I keep changing my mind about going EA or not.</p>

<p>You get a letter in December.</p>

<p>Since ND is your dream school, I don't see why you shouldn't do EA.</p>

<p>Definitely go EA. I think your chances are extremely strong.</p>

<p>Your application is not so good.
Have you visited Sinclair? I hear it is pretty competitive. :)</p>

<p>Ignore ivynut, you have a good shot at ND. The only advantage is that you hear in December, it just depends on if that is important to you. I think you would be safe to apply EA</p>

<p>How competitive is Early Action? I hear that not only do the smarter kids apply for EA, but also the recruited athletes. And when it comes down to everything, I'm sure they'll accept Jimmy Clausen first over me. Is there like a statistics on how many kids applied for EA in 2006 and how many got accepted?</p>

<p>I think athletes are already in a different category, because people like Jimmy Clausen have already passed admissions, so he knows he is in. EA is very competitive, and for the most part you will be going against the very top of ND's applicants. Will it hurt you, probably not, as they say they will defer you to RD if you don't make it EA but have a shot. However, I just am always cautious because they tell you not to apply EA unless you are one of the top top applicants. </p>

<p>There was also someone on here that said that it was a disadvantage because you don't drop to EA but rather you drop to a separate group that is considered after EA. I am not sure about this but I will try to email an admissions friend at ND and ask them, because that would be good to know!</p>

<p>Assuming that your rank is in the top 5% to 10%, I think you should consider EA as well. Your status as an Eagle Scout is something that Notre Dame values highly -- it's the first "bullet" in their list -- see below. Good luck!</p>

<p>Class of 2009 is packing hefty credentials
By: Matthew V. Storin
Date: July 1, 2005 </p>

<p>Though the Class of 2005 has barely been launched from the University of Notre Dame, an outstanding group of first-year students will descend on the campus in a few weeks, bringing new spirit to old traditions and academic credentials to match any class that has gone before it.</p>

<p>The Class of 2009, which arrives Aug. 19-20, joins the University’s new president, Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C., who takes office July 1 and will be formally inaugurated Sept. 23. So it is a time of anticipation and new beginnings. The class will be welcomed by a new dean of First Year Studies, Hugh Page, formerly associate dean and director of undergraduate studies in the College of Arts and Letters. And, oh yes, there’s a new football coach, Charlie Weis, who leads the Fighting Irish onto the field Sept. 3, for the season opener at the University of Pittsburgh.</p>

<p>The incoming first-year class currently numbers 1,985 from 11,318 applicants, according to Dan Saracino, assistant provost for enrollment. In a similar ratio to other recent classes, it is 53 percent men and 47 percent women. Among other characteristics, it is 84 percent Catholic, 22 percent minority, and 3 percent from outside the U.S. Twenty-two percent are the sons and daughters of at least one parent who is a Notre Dame alumnus.</p>

<p>The average SAT score for this class is 1,375, the average ACT score is 31, and the average class rank was in the top 6 percent. </p>

<p>Saracino says, “This class impresses me with an academic profile among the strongest in our history; yet, an amazing wealth of diversity in experiences and individual talents to be shared with the entire campus community come fall.”</p>

<p>Other details of the Class of 2009 include:</p>

<p>6 percent were Eagle Scouts or Girl Scout Gold Award winners
7 percent were student government or student body presidents
46 percent were involved in their high school’s government
13 percent were editors of a high school publication
51 percent were active in music, art, drama or dance
84 percent were involved in community service
72 percent lettered in at least one varsity sport
17 percent have at least one parent who is an educator.
As if to put its best foot forward for the new president, new coach and the brilliant class of first-year students, the campus is bustling with construction and renovations. A new coat of 23.9-karat gold is being applied to the famed Golden Dome; a new, ceremonial entrance to campus is under construction on Notre Dame Avenue, new football offices and player facilities in the Guglielmino Family Athletics Center – “The Gug” – will soon be occupied; and Dillon Hall, the largest residence hall on campus, is getting a complete renovation in time for the opening of the academic year. </p>

<p>Ongoing projects, not to be completed this year, include Jordan Hall, a $70 million science center, which will open in May 2006, and the closing of Juniper Road and straightening of Angela Boulevard/Edison Road, the Angela/Edison project being completed this year while the Juniper closing is scheduled for 2006.</p>

<p>As with the undergraduate student body, which changes over one-quarter of itself each year, the campus rarely remains unchanged for long.</p>

<p>I honestly disagree brigade. If the average rank is top 6%, and ND says that only the top applicants should apply EA, I don't think you should apply EA unless you are in the top 5% of your class. Unfortunately I can name many people, even on this board, that found that ND really looks at rank. CKMets (if I remember correctly) is the perfect example, he was barely in the top 10% of his class and had a 1500 (old) SAT and ended up being rejected! </p>

<p>I just DO NOT think you should apply EA if you are not over the ND averages for SAT and rank regardless, honestly. That is just my view.</p>

<p>I've never really understood why ND took the class rank so seriously though. If a school is more competitive and have more students per class, then it is obvious that it is harder to get into the top 5% compared to a smaller, less competitive school.</p>

<p>I don't agree with you, Irish. If the applicant is in the top 5% to 10%, and have scores over 1400, plus National Merit Commended and an Eagle Scout, that is enough to apply EA in my view. The worst that happens for a solid applicant like that is deferral. The best thing is good news in December. I know you applied EA and were rejected your first time so perhaps that has colored your view.</p>

<p>Thank you for trying to figure out my motivations, brigade, but this is not because of me. This is mainly because of a fellow poster who had better than the stats you described and was turned down last year. Ask ckmets who will be going to BC next year (which I still think is BS) because by your standards you say the worst that can happen is a deferral, and that just isn't true.</p>

<p>To every rule, there are exceptions. If the vast majority of people who had stats similar to ckmets were accepted, and it's the minimal few that were rejected, then I guess what brigade is saying could be correct. But I don't know the specific stats or numbers, so actually, I shouldn't even be talking.</p>

<p>Or maybe I'm not even getting what you guys are saying right, and if that's the case, I apologize.</p>

<p>Sorry Brigade to be short with you but I just didn't appreciate you questioning my motivations. Yes, I was rejected EA, and I make that very clear everytime I think I may be overly cautious about recommending EA so people can take my opinions with a grain of salt. I am very open and honest about that. In the case of the OP and several recent posters, I actually mentioned EA as an option, so I am not scared of it.</p>

<p>Maybe I have been on this board too long, maybe I have seen too much and I have too many bad examples of good kids getting turned down, I don't know. I just don't think you can say that EA is safe with top 10% and a 1400 when the averages are top 6% and 1375 when ND says that it is only for the very best applicants.</p>

<p>I don't know, I am sorry for being short with you and everything. Just please, in the future, disagree with me but don't say "I know you applied EA and were rejected your first time so perhaps that has colored your view." I can accept people disagreeing with me, Docmom does it with me all the time, but saying that I am biased is not right honestly it has made me quite angry (though it shouldn't). Anyways, I am out, just please don't do that again!</p>

<p>KS, you are right and I probably am just angry. It was just brigade's last sentence that got me going is all. I know I am cautious with EA, and I am open and honest about that, and I am the one who discloses that. I just don't like being called biased, especially when I really am passionate about getting you guys into Notre Dame and that is why I am here. </p>

<p>We are all on the same team. I spend a lot of time (as do a lot of other posters) on this board trying to help get all of you into Notre Dame and I do it because I am very passionate about the university. I am not cautious about EA to rain on your parade, I am cautious because I want you guys to get into Notre Dame. That is my motivation. Maybe I have gone to far, I don't know, but that is why I am here. I hope you guys know that I don't say what I do just to be annoying or to cause problems but rather it is because I want you at ND.</p>

<p>I want to let you know that I appreciate what you do on this forum, helping many people out with their questions and everything. I can probably speak for most people in that we're all thankful for what you do around here. When we disagree with you, it just may be that we've heard or experienced things differently, but you seem to know the most about the admissions process and all, so please understand. And I do understand your reason for being somewhat upset (or at least affected by brigade's post).</p>

<p>Thanks KS, I do appreciate it. I usually don't get upset by people disagreeing, as long as they are disagreeing with me (like the first part of brigade's post). Questioning an opinion is what any debate is all about. However, when it becomes personal and you question if the person is being fair (instead of their argument) that is a whole different story. Then people feel attacked, and that is how I felt, attacked and judged and I reacted strongly because of it. </p>

<p>In my initial disagreement with brigade I said I "honestly disagreed" and then gave the example of ckmets, and then at the end said that it was "just my view" so I disagreed without asserting that I had the universal truth and without saying anything against bridade. I could have gone into the past and tried to question his knowledge of ND admissions, I could have done a lot of things, but I just questioned the argument with what I knew because we all are on the same team. I am sure Brigade wants everyone to get into Notre Dame just like I do.</p>

<p>With that, I will try to end it (unless brigade wants to respond in which case we can talk about some things). We are all on the same team and I don't want to fight with brigade because I am sure that he or she brings a lot of good information, and I have seen that in their past posts. I just ask of everyone that in the future we try to attack the argument and not question the person or their view directly because then they will just get defensive (case in point) and it will turn us against each other and we will lose sight of why we are here; to get you into Notre Dame!</p>