Chances at NYU, CMU, Tufts, Chicago....

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>To add to clk's remark, this thread is really entertaining. However, I have to agree with jwblue on the high school ranking system. I attend an elite private school (i don't mean to boast) that does not rank, as most do not. Seeing as most (or at least a fair number) of applicants to both CMU and NYU come from this competitive private school background, ranking cannot and is not terribly important. </p>

<p>As for selectivity, NYU as a school accepted 29% in 2003 while CMU accepted 31%, whatever they are both very selective. NYU's average SAT scores ranged from a 630-710V and 600-710M while CMU had a 600-700V and a whopping 680-770M. Obviously, CMU is much better in engineering and other math related subjects which is reflected in the high math SAT's. What NYU lacks in the math/science tracks is more than made up for in the art and performing realms. And for business, both are stupendous, but NYU has an undeniably better location being so close to the largest firms.</p>

<p>I don't know what either of you are looking for, but I hope this helps somewhat, especially for Duke as you are a high school student and seem to be focusing on high school type facts. I guess it boils down to what type of person you are and what you are looking for in a college. All my info came from a 2004 college review book I have lying around.</p>

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<p>Nice try with the edit Dukeroonie, too bad it wasn't slick enough since the time of your edit and time of my original post are still displayed. </p>

<p>We'll keep it between us re: what was really said...hehe. Or maybe I'll use it one of these days for a retort (since all responses are emailed out anyway).</p>

<p>I love how you attempt to preemptively mock the foreign rankings, then minutes later cite a website thats in Chinese. </p>

<p>FYI, the American Research Universities ranking that puts NYU above CMU is not foreign, but crafted by professionals in the good ole US of A.</p>

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<p>Mauiboy is completely correct regarding the HS rankings (fyi, Maui, those NYU SAT stats are old, newer ones on the school's website).</p>

<p>Duker, I can't fathom how you consider this top 10% thing important. There is no way a person in the top 10% at an average high school is anywhere equal to a person even in the top 1/3 at Andover or Lawrenceville (my old high school). In the latest NYU class, 70.8% of the freshmen were in the top 10%....by your own estimate, the figure for Carnegie was 72%....so yeah play up a 1.2% difference as much you can...nobody here is buying it.</p>

<p>NYU frosh in top 10%:
<a href="http://admissions.nyu.edu/appprocess/step1.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://admissions.nyu.edu/appprocess/step1.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Notice only 43% of the high schools even ranked. Duker, I'd venture your high school actually ranks and is not an elite private school if you think top 10% is this important. You ask for a better way...how about standardized gpa on a 4 scale like Med Schools and Law Schools do it...oh wait, thats already done by every prestigious college. NYU CAS avg. gpa was 3.8, CMU CFA was 3.51, Tepper was 3.59.</p>

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<p>First, read or reread the methodology of the Shanghai ranking..its not only based on nobels, and there is a very reliable way to measure publications. </p>

<p>Duke, I'd venture studentsreview.com is not as reputable the Shaghai site. Its probably not even as reputable as US News (though both are iffy). The number one reason its horrible is becuase the ratings are based on simple opinion.</p>

<p>But since you brought it up, and are hyping it so much, lets see what studentsreview.com currently says about both NYU and CMU.</p>

<p>Avg SAT:
NYU: 1403
CMU: 1390</p>

<p>Avg ACT:
NYU: 31.3
CMU: 27.6</p>

<p>Alumni-starting salary:
NYU: $37,368
CMU: $29,850</p>

<p>Alumni-current salary (takes into account experience):
NYU: $186,842
CMU: $39,850</p>

<p>I'll acknowledge NYU has an unfair edge on salary here due to the disproportionate number of NYU alums who work in Manhattan, where there is just lotsa moohlah going around, but there is still a measured difference regardless. This is all from the site you love to refer to: <a href="http://www.studentsreview.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.studentsreview.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I think we already beat this to death. NYU CAS sucks, Stern is what gives NYU the great salary/prestige. CMU CFA sucks and the other 6 schools have very high sat/ranks as you can see from their website <a href="http://www.cmu.edu/admission%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.cmu.edu/admission&lt;/a> and go to facts.</p>

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<p>Thanks for the laughs though you imcompetent moron you can't understand basic rankings and you disregard 2 of the most reputable rankings because they don't say what you want them to say. </p>

<p>And I'm sure top 10% is more important than some crappy nobels or articles written, since nobody sane would rank a college by that. </p>

<p>As much as I enjoy seeing my post count go up, just shaddap and return to your hole and dont' be mad that you are going to a 32 ranked CAS college while others are at stern and tepper which are more prestigious and have higher salaries.
BTW: Economics in HSS alone has close to 50,000 in avg salaries so I'm betting finance avg salary has way more since it is in the tepper school. Go check out brinn's post and you'll see that getting 6 figures isn't hard when you come out of one of the good CMU schools.</p>

<p>Let thread die plz you stubborn little donkey.</p>

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<p>I'm getting tired of arguing to a brick wall so I'll just sum up my points that are common sense and that any monkey spending 30 min on the web can figure out. I dunno why you are so biased but perhaps your own insecurites about attending NYU CAS are among the reasons. As you can see, NYUsternman is secure with his college choice and thus sees reason instead of posting over and over again the same biased BS.</p>

<p>Here are my summaries:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>A majority of Carnegie schools are higher ranked/more selective/more prestigious than NYU CAS. This cannot be disputed as you can check their avg SAT/gpa/rank/selectivity at their websites. SCS alone trounces NYU, even stern, in selectivity and avg stats.</p></li>
<li><p>Overall CMU is ranked higher by <strong>Well known and reputable</strong> (even if you don't think so) and popular ranking sites such as previews(higher top ranked students) and Usnews ofcourse. Just because usnews or preview gives you info you don't wanna see or hear doesn't mean you gotta go dig up some crazy nobel/article ranking guides/foreign guides etc. If you want to trust those third tier ranks go ahead.</p></li>
<li><p>Stern is amazing(as is tepper). Both are tier 1 business schools while tepper is more into computer/sciency type stuff like management info systems (ranked 2nd behind MIT). And quant analysis and some other thingy I forgot, go to usnews.com college ranks and undergrad business majors to check it out. Oh and yes, Stern has better location.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Edit:
I also want to mention that Carnegie(if u hate usnews ranking so much), is deemed higher than NYU CAS on THESE VERY message boards. Check out the thread <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=25670&page=2%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=25670&page=2&lt;/a> that is currently available where the op asks for chances with NYU and CMU.</p>

<p>TWO say NYU as a match or a match/reach while listing CMU as a reach. One lists NYU and CMU both as matches and ONE more says he doesn't know. So overall its 2-1 for CMU. I'm sure I can dig up old threads that have other people listing about the same things. I can remember when I posted a year ago I put down NYU and CArnegie. People said NYU CAS was my match and CMU was my REACH. I wonder why?!?!?!?!?!</p>

<p>My dad owns a business (shenfei USA). He and his managers all think of carnegie as a school for intellectuals and NYU as below that (big ass school, still good). Alot of people out there hold the same view that CMU is harder to get into than NYU and is more prestigious.</p>

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<p>Dukester: "Let thread die plz you stubborn little donkey."</p>

<p>Are you addressing me or yourself?...fair question since you posted another reply right after saying this. </p>

<p>Anyhow, why would I let it die? I enjoy browbeating you in the few minutes this takes everyday, and I'm always right.....its very clear to any reasonable person reading this thread.</p>

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<p>no ur rarely right even nyusternman can agree with me because he's not a biased little monkey like you. I got to 100 posts so I'm done bumping this thread. Just refer to my Previous post and you'll see my summaries and enjoy.</p>

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<p>Let the hard facts speak for themselves:</p>

<p>NYU CAS sat & gpa (old stats):
<a href="http://www.nyu.edu/fas/GAP/GeneralInfo/CASGPAandSAT.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nyu.edu/fas/GAP/GeneralInfo/CASGPAandSAT.pdf&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

<p>NYU SAT and top 10%:<br>
<a href="http://nyu.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopi...391&m=813100732%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://nyu.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopi...391&m=813100732&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://admissions.nyu.edu/appprocess/step1.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://admissions.nyu.edu/appprocess/step1.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Compare to the CMU website and tepper stats. </p>

<p>Dukeroonie says: "Just because usnews or preview gives you info you don't wanna see or hear doesn't mean you gotta go dig up some crazy nobel/article ranking guides/foreign guides etc. If you want to trust those third tier ranks go ahead."</p>

<p>I never knocked Pton Review...show me where if I did. Pton Review gives both NYU and CMU selectivity ratings of 98...and thats using old NYU stats, which are not as high. Also, Cmu has gotten easier to get into since, it now has a 38% acceptance rate (not 31%) according to the website you posted. </p>

<p>Duke on daddy-o's business: "My dad owns a business (shenfei USA). He and his managers all think of carnegie as a school for intellectuals and NYU as below that (big ass school, still good)."</p>

<p>Well this is a good thing since you can now work there after college...I haven't seen too many CMU undergrads in non tech positions on wall street.</p>

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<p>preview gives Carnegie higher top 10%, about 72% compared to NYU's 62%. And yea those facts are nothing compared to tepper or CIT or SCS or MCS etc. </p>

<p>BTW: Ur 1st link doesn't work and ur 2nd link is for NYU AVG. Its not CAS only. </p>

<p>Let the facts speak for themselves...</p>

<ol>
<li>Higher Preview %</li>
<li>USnews rank 22 and NYU rank 32.</li>
</ol>

<p>PS: read up on brinn's or other people's post. Its not hard to get 6 figure salaries coming out of tepper or stern. IT IS HARD to get 6 figure salaries coming out of Carnegie CAS or NYU CAS. </p>

<p>I really wanna stop arguing to a biased person such as yourself but I can't stand listening to fairy tales that I keep proving are BS over and over again while you post new crap. Please post something that is HALFWAY credible so I can finally leave this thread.</p>

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<p>Duke says: " Alot of people out there hold the same view that CMU is harder to get into than NYU and is more prestigious."</p>

<p>Lets examine this statement shall we. </p>

<p>A group of Harvard and Wharton profs. ranked colleges according to preferences of top HS seniors....ie where cross admits who got into a number of schools were more likely to go. This ranking bascially puts colleges in direct competition...its a good reflection of demand for a particular college. Its very market driven (any b school student should appreciate that), and the authors compare it Zagat's NYC restaurant guide. </p>

<p>According to this preference ranking, NYU was ranked 39, and Carnegie Mellon was 46. Its clear more people who got into both schools would pick NYU (this is also reflected by NYU's much higher yield).</p>

<p>I predict Duke will characterize this ranking as 3rd tier as well, after all, what do Harvard and Wharton profs. know compared to the New Testament, aka US News (laughs). </p>

<p><a href="http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/index.cfm?fa=viewArticle&id=1104%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/index.cfm?fa=viewArticle&id=1104&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.vocaboly.com/forums/ftopic2535.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vocaboly.com/forums/ftopic2535.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>yes please post more random crap and third tier rankings. This just shows how utterly biased you are.</p>

<p>what'd you do, spend 4 hours searching on yahoo and google to find ANYthing you possibly can to prove your point? You can check up on posts here and see that i'm right and you are wrong, like the topic above this one where people say NYU as a match/reach while they say CMU is a reach.</p>

<p>Once again, plz post something that is not FULLY BS so i can leave this thread.</p>

<p>Also I love how ur ignoring my fact posts and my summary post because you know you are a wrong biased little NYU pawn. Wanna explain why you gave me a NYU stats site for ALL of NYU and not just CAS? Wanan explain why Preview gives carnegie 72 % for top applicants while NYU gets a nice 62%? Or how Carnegie has a higher average SAT than NYU? Also plz use more than ur biased opinions to disprove my greatest point, Usnews rankings, which are respected by millions of college applicants. (finding more tier 3 rankings won't help u, like ur laughable nobel/article published crap).</p>

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<p>For good info on NYU stats, check the washington square news.</p>

<p><a href="http://washingtonsquarenews.com/news/campus/2505.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://washingtonsquarenews.com/news/campus/2505.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.nyunews.com/news/campus/913.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nyunews.com/news/campus/913.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Further to the point Mauiboy, the PR stats are either old or outdated...either way, they are wrong. The 1st link (about NYU CAS) worked fine for me, and probably everyone else here. </p>

<p>4 hrs a day on google?...thats laughable coming from a guy who posted a website in Chinese. That ranking was the subject of a NY Times article, and was composed by very eminent profs. who have more credibility than 99.9% people on this board. </p>

<p>This is the way I see it, instead of pointless arguing, why not let the free market decide....its app season, we'll see which school gets more apps, has a lower acceptance rate, higher yield, and better stats.</p>

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<p>1.Wall Street Journal ranks Carnegie 2nd in the WORLD
2. Laissez Faire ranks Carnegie 42nd and NYU as 52nd.</p>

<p>Carnegie Mellon University. 1900, private, $28730; shares applicants most
often with Cornell Univ., MIT, Univ. of Pennsylvania, Northwestern, Johns
Hopkins; 13187 applied, 32% accepted, 23% yield, middle half scored
1270-1470 SAT, 69% in top tenth of class, 29 external National Merit
Scholars (2.2% of class), 79% not from Pennsylvania, 91% of freshmen return;
U.S. News selectivity rank 22th among national universities.</p>

<p>New York University. 1831, private, $32132; shares applicants most often
with Boston Univ., Univ. of Pennsylvania, Cornell Univ., Barnard, Columbia;
24568 applied, 35% accepted, 41% yield, middle half scored 1230-1400 SAT,
60% in top tenth of class, 3 external National Merit Scholars (0.1% of
class), 67% not from New York, 89% of freshmen return; U.S. News selectivity
rank 32th among national universities.</p>

<ol>
<li><p>USnews ranks Carnegie as 22nd overall and NYU as 30+.</p></li>
<li><p>If NYU is a top school, go to College Confidential's Top Schools. Do you see NYU anywhere? No, you see Cal Tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, U mich, etc. NO NYU ANYWHERE.</p></li>
<li><p>Usnews and Laissez faire are ranked 1 and 2 as CC ranks the top rankings. Wall street journal is another very respected ranking. Therefore there are 3 HUGE rankings that both support that overall CARNEGIE > NYU.</p></li>
<li><p>Tepper vs Stern itself can be challenged by wall street ranking tepper 2nd in the world.</p></li>
<li><p>A barnes and noble ranking book, Top Business Colleges. Ranks Carnegie as 6th and NYU is in the 30s. I DON'T agree with this because Stern should definitely be in the top 10 but this book ranked Stern in the 30s. The book ranked by recruiter/employers opinions so its not some crap that ranked based on student thoughts or nobel prizes or articles published.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Go check all these out, I've compiled them in my little CMU vs NYU pile and I have more if you wish to argue but I think its pretty clear which is better respected by recruiters/employers/etc. It should hit you like a brick when you go and click on CC Top Colleges and you see that NYU isn't there, but Carnegie is. Reality check dude.</p>

<p>Compare the stats, you can see the Yield is lower, Acceptance rate is lower, SAT is higher, top 10% is higher. That means BETTER GPA. Its pretty clear who wins.</p>

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<p>Oh for clearity I copy/pasted CC's Top Universities list.</p>

<p>California Institute of Technology </p>

<p>Carnegie Mellon University </p>

<p>Duke University </p>

<p>Emory University </p>

<p>Georgetown University </p>

<p>Johns Hopkins University </p>

<p>Massachusetts Institute of Technology </p>

<p>Northwestern University </p>

<p>Rice University </p>

<p>Stanford University </p>

<p>University of California - Berkeley </p>

<p>University of California - Los Angeles </p>

<p>University of Chicago </p>

<p>University of Michigan - Ann Arbor </p>

<p>University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill </p>

<p>University of Notre Dame </p>

<p>University of Virginia </p>

<p>Vanderbilt University </p>

<p>Washington University - St. Louis </p>

<p>There is a REASON why NYU is not there. Look over the stats I've posted in my above post.</p>

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<p>The only real reach on your list is the University of Chicago. This school is pretty selective. Your admissions decision is contingent upon your essay.</p>

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<p>"1.Wall Street Journal ranks Carnegie 2nd in the WORLD"--I would like to see a link and more importantly the METHODOLOGY for that ranking. </p>

<p>"24568 applied, 35% accepted"--Everyone knows these numbers for NYU are either old or wrong (NYU got about 34K apps last year). </p>

<p>I believe the "CC top schools" are the copied and pasted from the US News ranking (and the ivies have a separate forum)....yes, I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any other way that CC determines what constitutes a top school and the rankings seem to be a mirror of US News. </p>

<p>"A barnes and noble ranking book, Top Business Colleges. Ranks Carnegie as 6th and NYU is in the 30s."---Now I know you don't agree with the ranking, but I find this VERY VERY hard to believe. I can't even name 30 WELL KNOWN undergrad b schools, can you? What was the name of the book and author? </p>

<p>"Compare the stats, you can see the Yield is lower"--NYU has a HIGHER yield than Carnegie Mellon (41 vs. 23). A higher yield is better since it means a larger percentage of the accepted students do indeed attend. Again, I would submit someone who has been accepted to both NYU and CMU, AND is not studying something tech related would likely choose NYU (preference rankings by Harvard and Wharton profs back this point up). </p>

<p>The free market trumps any ranking, and soon enough we'll see what school was harder to get into this year.</p>

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<p><em><wall street="" journal="" ranks="" carnegie="" 2nd="" in="" the="" world=""> I would like to see link...methodology</wall></em>
duke is referring to this: <a href="http://www.careerjournal.com/specialreports/bschoolguide/20010430-alsop-thewinner.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.careerjournal.com/specialreports/bschoolguide/20010430-alsop-thewinner.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>This is not an undergrad ranking, rather MBA programs. Hopefully link works, methodology is explained. Personally I think it's interesting in that programs are ranked not on GMAT scores, GPA, or selectivity, etc, but rather simply...from where do corporate recruiters like to recruit employees. CMU has ranked in the top 7 or 8 since the survey began a few years ago and has been #2 and #3. I saw one year NYU was ranked #37. I realize this is just one of many rankings. But you asked for the link.</p>

<p>Also as you stated jw the studentsreview site isn't too reputable. To list CMU alumni starting salary as 29,850 and alumni current salary as 39,850 is just plain ludicrous on their part (not yours). <a href="http://www.studentaffairs.cmu.edu/student/student.html#salary%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.studentaffairs.cmu.edu/student/student.html#salary&lt;/a> (click 2003 Post-grad survey results)
Most CMU grads have starting salaries in high 40K, more likely 50'sK and 60's. I mentioned S previously, he starts at 60 for Goldman, his friend and future roommate 55 at Lehman plus signing bonuses. So mid-career salaries of 39K is crazy...a 4th year teacher in our school district makes that (nothing against teachers, just a fact).
Also, ok I'm being petty now, but students review says CMU ACT is 27.6.
<a href="http://www.cmu.edu/planning/CDS/c_0203.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.cmu.edu/planning/CDS/c_0203.html&lt;/a>
ACT 25-75 is 27-32. Of those submitting ACT scores, 52% scored 30-36 composite ACT, 44% scored 30 or above English, 62% scored 30 or above math.</p>

<p>Edit: sorry the first 2 links above are being truncated. For the first, if you google Wall Street Journal Business School Rankings, you'll find it. For the second, access Career Services in CMU site for 2003-04 salaries.</p>