Chances at UMich, USC, UC's

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>White Male Student from Las Vegas, NV </p>

<p>GPA - UW: 4.0 W: 4.8
Class Rank : 1/635 (cut off is 4.8 GPA)</p>

<p>SAT I: These are actual, other scores on an old thread were PSAT, 740 Math, 620 Verbal, 700 Writing (Retaking in OCT, for the Verbal, will get higher)
SAT II: Chemistry-670, MathIIC-710 (Might retake), USHist - 790
ACT: 31 (retaking next year)</p>

<p>EC / Awards:
DECA: VP (Soph and Junior), President Senior
NHS: 3 year member, Senior President
FBLA: 2 year member (maybe E-Board Next Year)
Basketball : 4 years, Varsity 2 years, Captain Senior Year
Science Club, Member for 2 years
NJHS, can't remember other middle school stuff, probably does not matter anyway
NHS President's Award and Outstanding Service in My Community Award</p>

<p>1 of 2 RYLA (Rotary Youth Leadership Awards) nominees at my school
Nevada Boys' State Delegate (that was a pain in the ass)</p>

<p>Currently enrolled in 4 AP classes: Language and Comp, Calc BC (2 year), Chem, and APUSHIST, the rest of my classes are honors and required classes
Next Year: 5 AP Euro Hist, Lit, Govt, Physics, and Calc</p>

<p>What are my chances at getting into these schools: USC (Marshall), Berkeley, UCLA, University of Michigan (about right when their applications come out), U of Chicago, UCSD, Georgetown, NYU Stern</p>

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<p>Depending on your SAT score, I'd say you have a shot at almost any university. You obviously have to break the 2100 mark on the SAT to have a realstic shot at the likes of Stanford or Princeton, but with a 2100 on your SAT, schools like Cal, Michigan and USC would be virtual safeties for you.</p>

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<p>Here's the 2005 stats on these schools--or their business schools:</p>

<p>USC (Marshall)--Marshall average U/W 3.85 GPA and SAT around 1390 (old) (note that Business Week corrected their data, which said 1350, in a later version of their magazine)
UC Berkeley--average U/W GPA 3.93, with W GPA 4.25 and SAT score of 1300 (old)--this is the whole school, not Haas Business School<br>
UCLA--average U/W GPA 3.89 and W GPA 4.19 and SAT score (old) of 1289--this is whole school (and UCLA doesn't have an undergraduate business school at Anderson)
UCSD--average U/W GPA 3.8 W GPA 3.98 and SAT of 1239 (old)--this is whole school (and UCSD doesn't have an undergraduate business school)
University of Michigan--average U/W GPA 3.72 with GPA at 1305 (old)--this is whole school<br>
U of Chicago-average U/W GPA of around 3.85 and SAT of 1430 (old)--this is whole school
Georgetown--I presume you want McDonough business school stats--which are average U/W GPA around 3.87 and SAT of 1370 (old)<br>
NYU Stern--average at Stern UW GPA 3.7 and SAT score of 1422 (old)</p>

<p>With your current grades (rank) of U/W 4.0 and SAT scores of 1380 (old), I rate your chances as follows (P.S. Your ACT is the equivalent of exactly a 1380 SAT score):</p>

<p>USC (Marshall)-match
UC Berkeley (out-of-state)-slight reach
UCLA (out-of-state)--match
UCSD (out-of-state)--match
University of Michigan-safe match (but match to slight reach for direct admit status to Ross business school)
U of Chicago-slight reach
Georgetown-match
NYU Stern-match</p>

<p>Oh, and another thing--if you are retaking your SAT to improve only your verbal score, keep in mind that the UC schools only take your single best sitting of the test. In other words if you improve your verbal score by 50 points, but drop by 60 in math, the UCs will only count the best overall test--which would be the one you already took.</p>

<p>P.S. I should point out that I disagree with Alexandre's view above of the UC schools since you are out-of-state--and to get into the UCs from out-of-state is much more difficult than from in-state--keep that in mind when comparing your stats to the stats on the schools above.</p>

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<p>Thanks Calcruzer for the information. How much do you believe I would have to get my SATs up to get into one of the Ivy league schools, maybe their econ programs or the major reach, Wharton? I believe my SAT single sitting score will likely go up too not just my verbal for the UC system. I am going to try for Ross School of Business at UMich, should I wait to retake my SATs/ACTs, or should I just apply when the admissions apps come out, figuring in the UMich is rolling.</p>

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<p>I would say that you would need about a 140 point jump in the SAT to have a really great shot--and that about an 80 point jump would give you decent chances--especially at a school like Penn, which only requires two SAT II scores--meaning you can throw out that 670 Chemistry score, and try to improve your Math II up to 750 or so. (Don't apply for the Wharton school, though--then your chances go way down--meaning that if you went to Penn you couldn't do business, but only Economics, since they don't allow transfers to Wharton from other majors). Another good possibility might be Cornell's business school.</p>

<p>As far as Ross--they only take about 70 to 80 directly into Ross as freshmen--so I would probably wait for the new SAT/ACT scores. The good news is that if you don't get direct admit, but do go to Michigan, you can now apply after your freshman year--and don't have to wait until after the sophomore year to apply (this is a fairly recent change).</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

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<p>messedupmikey:</p>

<p>UCB/UCLA: Match (out of state)
UCSD: Safe Match (out of state)</p>

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<p>Thank you guys...What are some other undergrad business programs that may be a match for me?</p>

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<p>UT-Mccombs; overall great program since it is 4year, but honors may be a reach.
UNC-KenanFlagler; The school is just great and the b-school is well respected.
UVA-Mcintyre; Same story as UNC but b-school is amazing and get good recruiting.
I would say consider prestige and ranking but realize the whole situation. I go to UT-Mccombs (transfered from UC-Riverside) where they have 4800 undergrad students. Whereas UNC and UC Berkeley, Umich, UVA have around 600-800 students. At big programs like UT, NYU, Indiana, & USC you have to do a lot more to distinguish yourself from the other thousands. Although these are all amazing programs don't look too much into the rankings, think more about how it will affect you, what your specific concentration will be, environment and so forth. I know people who chose UT over Penn and NYU because Penn & NYU lacks alot that UT and most other universities offer, Sports, whether or not your into sports it does change the campus atmosphere. it leads to school spirit and brings the students together. I doubt Penn students party it up when the rankings come out and they are 1, as much as UT (or any other large university) when they tailgate before a football game or win a rivalry match. You don't want to spend your college life studying, you need a balance otherwise your great educational achievements mixed with your lack of social skills will lead nowhere. I honestly believe you have your choice of schools. But if your sure on what you want to do, then start looking into specialty programs. I wanted to go to UNC and when I was on the site they had so many different programs; one allows you to switch between studying at Duke and UNC and is selective. 'Honors' or direct admit isn't the only thing to look for, try something unique you feel you would like and all these schools have plenty of programs just browse their websites. Best of Luck to you.</p>

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<p>these are 2006 averages admit stats for the UC Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD.</p>

<p>UC Berkeley: 4.17 GPA, 665, 690, 670 SAT
<a href="http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucb.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucb.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>UCLA: 4.13 GPA, 658, 687, 665 SAT
<a href="http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucla.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucla.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>UCSD: 4.04 GPA, 630, 667, 639
<a href="http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucsd.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucsd.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>These admit numbers should be more accurate than the other numbers given as they were just released and are up to date. Remember, UC's use single sitting SAT, which deflates their numbers compared to other schools such as USC and NYU. Also UC's are much much more difficult to get into out of state than in state. However, that being said, you seem to be a match or better at UC Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD.</p>