Chances at UMich

<p>I will be applying to U of M in the fall. What are my chances of being accepted?</p>

<p>GPA Unweighted: 3.92
ACT: 30
Difficult Classes: Honors (Geometry, Algebra II, Pre-Calc), AP (US History, Government, Economics, Calc AB, Biology)</p>

<p>EC's: Varsity Soccer 3 years, High School Baseball, NHS, Job experience, Service Projects in Detroit (Around 50 hours)</p>

<p>I live in Michigan and go to a top high school in the state. I will be applying early action</p>

<p>Bump</p>

<p>UMI: Match</p>

<p>Thanks for responding. Do you think I need to raise my ACT score at all or is it fine?</p>

<p>What is your intended major?
For LSA in state, you should be an easy match. For CoE, it would be a high match.
So a higher ACT may improve your chance for CoE if that matters to you. However, the question is not “do you need to raise your ACT” but “can you raise your ACT”. Have you thoroughly prepared for the test before the last attempt and how many times have your taken the test already? If you have already reached your plateau, it would be hard to push another point in ACT. If you do get a higher score, however, you would have a higher chance to be admitted in EA and save you a lot of effort in applying to other schools. You should look up the EA result thread from this year here.</p>

<p>The 25th to 75th percentile for the ACT Composite for 2013 admission was 28 to 32. Average GPA was 3.82. Admission rate was roughly 33%.</p>

<p>Don’t look at that data and gloss over the year of admission. In other words, ask yourself what the stats are likely to be for 2015. Admissions are becoming more and more competitive each year, on average. You’d have to check the past several years to see when the ACT jumped to its current level; maybe the 28 to 32 is safe for a few more years, maybe not.</p>

<p>If the ACT stays the same, you’re around the 50th percentile, maybe a bit less when you look at SAT concordance. SAT scores for the 25th to 75th percentile were 1280 to 1480. Your 30 ACT approximates to a 1340 SAT. </p>

<p>Also, 79% of the incoming class submitted ACT scores, and 63% of those students scored 30 to 36. So I’d estimate that you’re between the 40th to 50th percentile with standardized test scores. That’s if the admission stats don’t move up for 2015. </p>

<p>So factoring in your solid GPA and course load, average ECs, applying Early Action, and unknown UMich admission stats for 2015, I’d say you’re a Match/Semi-Reach. If you want to be safe/conservative, don’t consider yourself a Low Match/Good Fit, even for LSA. Just my opinion. </p>

<p>Think about trying to improve your ACT, or sitting the SAT, if you feel you have room to improve.</p>

<p>^ For the mid 50 SAT, do not just add up the mid 50 numbers for Math section and CR sections. If one get both Math and CR section scores at 25%, the composite score would be below 25%. The SAT composite mid 50 with all 3 sections are 2030-2250 for 2013 entering class, while the summation of mid 50 from the 3 separated sections is 1990-2280.</p>

<p>I’m planning on applying to LSA early action. I’m taking the ACT in June again one last time before early action and I’m going to prepare for it but I don’t know if I’m going to raise my score at all</p>

<p>@umich291, it depends if you are asian or not. Usually, umich does affirmative action against asians and so you might need to be above average to get in. And also, about how many people apply from your school, that may play a role too. </p>

<p>^ That is not true. There are 13% Asian admitted to UMich each year. The second part is also not true as it is hard to find an in state high school not to have a bunch of kids applying to UMich.</p>

<p>The asian stereotype is actually true. My family friend worked on the admissions committee and he said that asians should have slightly higher stats. I am not saying umich doesn’t accept asians at all. I am just saying you have to be an above average asian. </p>

<p>I’m white and I think my school sends a lot of kids to U of M every year. Is that helping me?</p>

<p>I also know an asian in state student get accepted to CoE with far below 25% ACT score and without hook this year. Nevertheless, it is generally true that there is an bias against Asian in college application. Here is a report on racial difference in admission at UMich before the the ban of affirmative action.
<a href=“http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/548/UM_UGRAD_final.pdf”>http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/548/UM_UGRAD_final.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
I would like to see the numbers after the ban.</p>

<p>I am sure there are exceptions. But this family friend of mine said that asians should try have an ACT above a 30 and a 3.9 just to be on the safe side. And yes, the affirmative action still exists to a certain point because all colleges want diversity. If top colleges only picked the best students, not trying to be racist or anything, but there would disproportionately high percentages of asians in schools. </p>

<p>There is still some racial/ethnic factor, but the percentage of African American students has dropped a lot since the ban. For in state students, the stat can still go a little bit lower than 30/3.9 disregarding the racial background. The difference between ACT scores of White and Asian admitted students was less than 1 point (less than 50pt difference in SAT), while on the same report, the GPA of admitted Asian was slightly lower than white. On the other hand, athletes recruited students may have lower scores/GPA while there are not many Asian students in that category. Of course, higher score/GPA would give everyone a better chance.</p>

<p>billcsho so do you think if I apply to LSA early action with my current stats that I’ll have a decent chance of getting accepted? </p>

<p>You should definitely do EA. You have a very good chance as in state for LSA. UMich does not reject EA applicant. In the worse case, you will just get deferred.</p>

<p>Personally, I feel the GPA does not account for the rigor of courses taken. In a way, when you are comparing applicants with one another, I feel the weighted GPA would be the best thing to use rather than unweighted. </p>

<p>Again, I probably sound so racist but I am honestly not trying to be, but generally Asians tend to take more APs and advanced classes, even when they are not ready for them just because their friends and other people are (asians can be very competitive). I think that may be why the Asians have a lower GPA. </p>

<p>And finally, I am not sure if the affirmative action against Asians exists or not my self. My family friend told me, and thats what I am reporting.</p>

<p>As for the OP, I would suggest you retake the ACT just to be on the safe side, but only if you have time. If you are really busy, I wouldn’t suggest it. </p>

<p>^ GPA does not tell rigor of courses, weight or unweight. The main reason is the the lack of standard in weighing. Also, school do not look at different AP courses to be the same. So the school would look at uwGPA and course rigor separately, not relying on wGPA.
I don’t think affirmative action has anything to do with the bias against Asian. After the ban of affirmative action, the percentage of African American students dropped significantly while there is Asian student population did not change.
The theory about the lower GPA is a nice one, however, the difference in GPA between white and Asian is even less significant than the difference in test scores.</p>