Chances for a black girl at HYPS, WashU

<p>Also keep in mind..</p>

<p>*Black Students Are Beginning to Seize the Early Admission Advantage *</p>

<p><a href="http://www.jbhe.com/features/43_early_admission.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.jbhe.com/features/43_early_admission.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>just an excerpt.. read entire article</p>

<p>At the nation's highest-ranked colleges and universities, the percentage of college-bound blacks who apply for early decision has always been far below the black percentage of the total applicant pool. The reason that college-bound blacks generally shun the binding commitments of the early admissions process is that their acceptance commitment cuts them off from the process of negotiating a favorable financial aid package from competing universities.
But JBHE statistics show that black students are now beginning to apply for early admission in much larger numbers. </p>

<p>In past years college-bound blacks have been much less likely than whites to seek early admission to the nation's highest-ranked colleges and universities. African Americans have avoided making the binding commitment to enroll if accepted because the rules of early decision eliminate their chances to "play the field" and consider a wide range of financial offers from competing universities. As a result, blacks have not been able to take advantage of the fact that early decision applicants generally achieve a much higher acceptance rate than applicants who choose to go the regular route. </p>

<p>For African Americans, the early decision process is assuming greater importance for the simple reason that early decision applications now make up a very large percentage of all admissions decisions. For example, this past winter Princeton University admitted 581 students under its binding early decision admissions program. This group is about one half of the freshman class that will enroll at Princeton this coming fall. </p>

<p>*Blacks Who Applied for Early Admission in 2004 *</p>

<p>JBHE has surveyed the nation's highest-ranked colleges and universities to determine how the controversial issue of early admissions actually affects black access to higher education, particularly admissions to our most selective institutions. JBHE asked each of the nation's 25 highest-ranked universities and the 25 highest-ranked liberal arts colleges for this year's early admissions data. Some of the nation's highest-ranked institutions such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Amherst, Williams, Stanford, Dartmouth, Duke, and Columbia declined to participate in our survey. </p>

<p>We believe that the reason for this reluctance has to do with the fact that at most highly ranked colleges and universities there is only a very small trickle of black early decision applicants. Publication of this shortfall tends to hurt a school's reputation for its commitment to racial diversity. It is likely, although by no means certain, that universities and colleges missing from our statistics have a low percentage of black early applicants.</p>

<p>wow sybbie, thanks for the great links</p>

<p>atomicfusion,</p>

<p>"If you’ve never heard of "white privilege", it’s because you enjoy the benefits of it without needing to think about it. In fact, we simply take white privilege for granted except when it’s threatened by job quotas, affirmative action, university admission policies, radically changing neighborhoods, loss of job or status to a person of color, or when racism is defined by a courageous person of color."</p>

<p>Perhaps you should read the following:
<a href="http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/%7Emcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.dickshovel.com/priv.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dickshovel.com/priv.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>People subtly give an advantage to those they relate too. Look at some parties or weddings, it seems like 100% of the people are white. I almost wonder if they realize there are no minorities there. </p>

<p>When it comes to a job people will subtly support the person more like them, often unintentionally.</p>

<p>anyone else? chances only plz b/c im getting tired of the aa debate. thanks!</p>

<p>bump......</p>

<p>Honestly chocl8 I wouldnt worry about chances, you are going wherever you want.</p>

<p>I personally think you will get into one or many of your top choices. But however, you may not be a shoo-in, which I think you know. I think you should take a look at this link. This is a black student that was rejected from HYP w/ 1550 SAT & 3x800. His grades were relatively mediocre (3.5 UW).
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=10897%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=10897&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Just offering this as a reminder that the college admissions process is always a little iffy, and to have your heart equally set on some schools that are just a tad lower just in case. </p>

<p>I think you have an incredible chance, and w/ recruited athlete status you may very well be a shoo-in. But keep your eyes open, and find a few other schools that you would be truly happy to attend. I wouldn't sweat it though; I would kill for your chances (and so would those that don't have the heart to tell you in a nice way!).</p>

<p>Best of luck!</p>

<p>chocl8 - Visit all the schools you are interested in - stay overnight in a dorm to get a real feel for the type of kids you will be spending the next 4 years with. Make sure you contact the coaches at all these schools. I am also involved in sports and decided not to apply to Ivys but WashU was where I felt at home. Take a look and visit - if you decide to apply I think your chances are very good. If you apply, make sure your GC nominates you for the Danforth Scholars program & also apply for the Ervin Scholars program (application for Ervin is on the WashU site). You should have a good shot at both. (Scholars programs = full tuition + ; can be up to full ride). Good luck - just make sure your decision is based on where you feel most at home and not only a "prestige" name.</p>

<p>bump... anyone else before i let this thread die?.....</p>

<p>atomicfusion,</p>

<p>wow, you really have no idea... it would be great if you could be black for just one day. in addition, you appeared to be harboring some resentment from your very first post. to be quite honest, the average african american achieves far less academically than white americans. so to find one that has such excellent qualifications is extremely rare. it's only naturall for colleges to desire such a strong candidate. </p>

<p>you know, it's funny how you always hear complaints about affirmative action but nobody makes nearly as much fuss about recruited athletes, the legacy advantage, the kids who are a shoo in because their parents donate millions to the school and how women have such a great advantage when applying for engineering schools. (btw, even though her your parents are african, if you are a us citizen, you are african american. i am also 1st generation african. holla!)</p>

<p>why bring this back to life?</p>

<p>choc, you ROCK!!! That is truly an impressive record, and I'm glad to hear how hard you've worked for it even though it seems you have the talent from the beginning! I think you've got about a 90% chance going for you in the ivies and definitly count on WashU. I hope you're happy! PS, if you ever decide to go to Harvard, tell me if you rub into my cousin's boyfriend Clem, he is like the funniest kid everrrr, and probably the only one from rural vermont ;) GOOD LUCK!!!</p>

<p>ok, my bad, i totally meant RUN into my cousin's boyfriend hahaha</p>

<p>jcro2006, you can use the edit button..^-^</p>

<p>chocl8lvr, with your GREAT GPA/TEST SCORES/EC's/ETC...I'm sure you can get into many of your top choice colleges xP...I'm almost positive that if you pull together a good essay, nice interview, you'll get into the school of your choice ED. So make a good decision! ^-^ great stats btw xP..i = jealous :]</p>