<p>I was wondering about my chances.</p>
<p>SAT: 2080- 680M 710CR 690W
ACT: 30
Decent EC's
Good recs
almost 4.2 W GPA
awful class rank at a ridiculously competitive public HS
double legacy (father class of '75, mother class of '77)</p>
<p>Please tell me what you think my chances are.</p>
<p>care to share rank...cuz if it isnt that good to u...what will ND think?</p>
<p>It's around 80/690</p>
<p>Have you taken many AP/IB classes? If you have taken, say, 10 AP courses, they might be a little more forgiving with your grades. If those grades are in easy classes, you are probably in trouble. Without the legacy, I would say you have below average chances. However, I know being a legacy helps a lot, but I don't really know how much. I don't have any idea about your chances with the legacy, but I am sure some other people around here will have a better idea.</p>
<p>you probably have a real good shot, you'd have a decent shot without the legacy, but that really puts u over the top (my guidance counselor told me legacy at nd helps u more than any other legacy from any other school in the country) and by the way 80/690 is not an awful class rank by any means</p>
<p>i like that!</p>
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<p>never felt so good to be a dbl legacy!</p>
<p>I heard that too. ND apparently has really strong alumni connections.</p>
<p>being a double legacy is great, but having just one parent as a legacy is pretty much the same according to what ive heard- either way it def helps</p>
<p>it seems like at least a quarter of ND applicants are legacies :(</p>
<p>My parents didnt help me by going to cc's</p>
<p>its a quarter of nd students that are legacies, not applicants</p>
<p>To ckmets13....ND prides itself on being a family environment and stresses heavily the ND family. That having been said, they do have a large portion of the undergrad body who had 1 or both parents attend here. Yes about a quarter of each incoming class is legacy, the admissions committee wants for it to be this way. This quote comes from an article regarding admissions in 2003:</p>
<p>"At Notre Dame, as at many other highly selective colleges and universities, the admissions process has become less a struggle to attract students capable of earning degrees -- about 80 percent of today's applicants could be successful academically, says Daniel Saracino '69, '75M.A., Notre Dame's assistant provost for enrollment -- and more about balancing institutional desires. For example:</p>
<p>Notre Dame wants to enroll better and better qualified students every year, as measured by standardized test scores, grade-point averages and the like. These are the people, one could argue, who have the best potential to change the world for the better.</p>
<p>But the University doesn't want to risk losing critical future donations from well-heeled benefactors by not accepting their children if the offspring are competitive academically. The University's fund-raising operation remains in contact with the admissions office and alerts it to families of applicants that have been or have the potential to become strong financial supporters of the University.</p>
<p>A similar situation exists with Notre Dame employees who have children. Some employees pass up potentially higher salaries outside of academe to remain at the University because they expect that when their children are old enough for college they'll go to Notre Dame -- for free. The University offers free tuition (but not free room and board) for dependent children of veteran employees. But the child has to get admitted first.</p>
<p>Notre Dame also wants to remain true to its heritage of being a stepping stone to a better life for first-generation college goers and others of modest means. And it wants to reshape the student body to be more ethnically and racially diverse and include more international students. The belief is that students learn more, in and out of the classroom, if they're thrown together with people from different backgrounds than their own.</p>
<p>But the University also wants to satisfy the desire of many of its alumni -- an overwhelmingly Caucasian and homogenous group -- to see their children follow in their footsteps. Accepting legacy students has the added benefit in that second-, third- or whatever generation Domers typically arrive already passionate about the place." (Notre Dame Magazine August 2003 ed).</p>
<p>that having been said, I made it in here EA with no legacy connections, while being wait-listed at the other institutions comparable to ND that I had applied to. I guess they just liked my admissions packet or else the other schools didn't like it....</p>
<p>Legacy will definately help, as we do take it into account more than other schools. However, the rank is the big problem I see since your SAT, while good, isn't great. I still think you get in, but I think it is close, so definately keep working hard and do everything you can to impress. Good luck!</p>
<p>To be honest I don't know how heavily rank is being looked at right now. I can tell you this though, it was stressed as being one of the factors that was looked at when I applied, albiet less than 5 years ago, with it being on par with standardized test scores and GPA. They used these three as a guage to see how you might be able to adapt to college. </p>
<p>That having been said I would tell you, as has been stressed on this board, the admissions committee looks at the entirety of your application. Could you get your SAT score up? At this point it would depend on whether you wanted to take the test again. Here's something that might interest you:</p>
<p>"For the next few years, Mundy said, the admissions staff at Notre Dame will concentrate on the two traditional components of the SAT, while keeping a watchful eye on the writing scores. Further research should indicate what kind of successes the writing component predicts. </p>
<p>The second college admissions test that Notre Dame accepts, the ACT, offers a voluntary writing component, which the University does not insist students take.</p>
<p>The nearly 2,000 members of Notre Dames class of 2009 will arrive on campus next month with an average SAT score of 1375 eight points higher than that of the previous class of freshmen and a source of pride for the University. Each year the average score of the incoming freshmen elevates by a handful of points, however due to the expanded test, next year it will take a dramatic leap. By studying percentile comparisons from year to year, the admissions office will continue to be able to compare relative strength from one class to the next." (from ND's newswire accessible via their webpage). </p>
<p>So basically you've got a 1390 right now with your scores. Aside from worrying, which isn't gonna be productive. Sit back, concentrate on a good, non-slacking senior year and unfortunately you're stuck waiting in suspense for a little while longer....</p>
<p>Nemo, are you from Colorado btw? I am just wondering since that is Mundy country and I know him from there.</p>
<p>'Fraid not, simply used the article to make a point. I'm from a midwestern state.</p>
<p>nemo, is your real name Nick? My brother at ND has a friend he calls nemo and I was wondering if it was you.</p>
<p>no it is not...i can pretty much guarentee from what i've read here that none of the posters who attends ND currently knows me...</p>