Chances for an OOS applicant...

<p>Hi, any type of suggestions and help would be appreciated....</p>

<p>Class of 2011
Texas resident
Hispanic (1st generation)
Bi-lingual
Low-income level</p>

<p>GPA unweighted: 3.64
GPA weighted: about 4.3
Class rank: 60-70/500 ~top 15% (might have gone up with year's end)</p>

<p>SAT:
Math: 610
Reading: 640
Writing: 750 (12 essay)
(2000 composite, I will retake this fall)
SAT II:
Will take US History, French, Spanish, maybe Lit.</p>

<p>APs:
9th:
AP Human Geo (5 on exam)
10th:
AP World History (5 on exam)
11th:
APUSH and APLAC (4 or 5 on exams)
12th: (will take)
AP Biology
AP Statistics
AP Government
AP Macro Econ.
AP Euro. History
AP English Lit.
AP French
AP Psychology</p>

<p>Extra-curricular: (Main activities)
Always been involved in church youth groups
Always had a summer job (secretary/accountant)
NHS
Debate club (CX team)(awards)
Academic team (went to state in competition)(awards)
Co-Pres in business club (went to state in competition)(awards)
Secretary of service club
Volunteer at Holocaust museum 100+ hrs
Hopefully AP Scholar w/ honor</p>

<p>I hope to have great recommendations and essays....</p>

<p>I want to go into business (accounting w/ economics)...
Thank You!...</p>

<p>8 AP classes senior year seems like a crazy amount (I think I had 8 or 9 total) - not sure how you’re doing that. The fact that you’re hispanic will pull a TON of weight. Nothing is ever for certain with OOS, but you’re probably fine.</p>

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<p>I strongly disagree…the old SAT score of 1250 is VERY low even for an URM/Hispanic to consider themselves “fine.” You will need to spend a lot of time on your essays to offset the SAT.</p>

<p>Taking 8 AP classes is not a wise idea, especially senior year and AP Psychology isn’t going to be viewed in the same light as Euro, Bio or Lit. In all honesty most Adcoms would view it badly and see it as a poor choice of time management at a very critical time of your life.</p>

<p>You are going to need time for college apps and essays and that course load is ridiculous…I can’t believe that a college counselor would approve that for a senior knowing the application load that lies ahead.</p>

<p>Drop the Psych and Econ…hopefully you don’t need them for graduation. UNC requires four years of math which is why I didn’t say drop stats unless you already have four math classes at which time I’d say drop two of the three; Stats or Econ and Psych.</p>

<p>Thanks for the responses…</p>

<p>@eadad</p>

<p>I understand my SAT scores are bad, particularly my math score. I’ve always had better writing skills (which I value more) than math reasoning. I am hopeful that I can raise my scores one last time this fall…</p>

<p>As far as my Senior year schedule goes, I actually consider it to be an easy workload compared to other schedules. Here in Texas we are now on a 4x4 graduation plan (w/ 7 daily periods). That means I need 4 years of credit in every core subject area. That would explain Bio, Stat, Lit., and the required one year combination of Govt. and Econ (one semester each). I am naturally good at French and it is one of the few classes I actually enjoy. That leaves me with two slots for electives. Euro is going to be a new class next year and it will undoubtedly be an easy A. Also, Psych is considered the easiest AP at my school. There aren’t any other honors classes available at my (two-year old) high school, so I am stuck choosing between APs to fill up my schedule.</p>

<p>I would never consider taking anything less than Pre-AP and AP courses. Yet, I would never overload myself. Hence, I am not taking AP Calc, AP Physics, or AP Chem…</p>

<p>While the overall median CR+M SAT for UNC is right around 1300, bear in mind that in-state applicants can get in with lower SATs than out of state - the OOS average SAT is 1338 and the median is around 1360-1370. Then, about 15-20% of the OOS students are recruited athletes, some of whom may have come in with substantially lower scores, skewing the OOS average downward. I’d say that the average SAT for non-recruited OOS students is around 1400.</p>

<p>fyi via our HS naviance (around 2400 student suburban HS - OOS) avg accepted GPA is 4.68 (w) and 1525 SAT. I know, it’s ridiculous.</p>

<p>The only reason I suggested he could be fine is because he is hispanic (yes, I know that sounds bad). But I know people with worse stats than visca who got accepted because they were black/hispanic. It seems to pull a lot of weight. If he weren’t a URM, he would have a snowball’s chance in you-know-what. Not to sound harsh!</p>

<p>I have a question. I thought I’ve read several times on CC (please don’t ask where) that OOS athletes are counted towards the IS admissions percentage. If that is the case, would their SAT scores also be added to the IS average?</p>

<p>I understand that being Hispanic will most likely bring forth conversations on AA. I believe AA can be both helpful and detrimental to society (but that is my opinion). I am not familiar with the admissions practices of UNC and hence I am here asking for advice. </p>

<p>One thing I would make noteworthy in my essays would be the financial hardships I have gone through, specifically my freshman year. My GPA that year really did suffer due to the events going on around me.</p>

<p>The minority status would help him, but imo, they won’t help him enough to get into UNC.</p>

<p>If his GPA gets a good solid bump and his SATs improve somewhat dramatically, I think his situation could change.</p>

<p>Get good grades 1st semester, retake the SAT to raise the Math and CR, and apply second deadline.</p>

<p>Like everyone else said, these stats are pretty low for OSS. If you were an NC resident you would be in, but because of the 82/18 rule I’m not sure if the URM status will help you. </p>

<p>Also, like I said, apply second deadline. That way they can see your 1st semester grades (and hopefully higher GPA), and give you more time to retake the SAT.</p>

<p>Honestly, I think you’re fine. The Hispanic thing definitely helps a whole lot more than I ever thought. My sister had a similar GPA, didn’t take any AP or Honors classes until junior year, and had slightly lower SAT scores than you, and she got into UNC this year. She did, however, show an upward trend in her grades all throughout high school, and her essay was amazing, so that definitely helped, but I think as long as you keep your grades up, maybe take the SAT one more time since it can only help you, and write a good essay, the Hispanic part will definitely help you get in. I feel like they probably treat minorities with the same if not easier standards than in-state students, but it is UNC so it’s still a pretty high standard compared to many other schools.</p>

<p>The description of the OOS applicants is similar to those of UT- Austin. They also have to boast higher SAT scores, stronger EC’s, and solid GPA’s. </p>

<p>I’ll still try my chances at UNC (my #1 choice for OOS public schools).</p>

<p>Thanks for the help/responses…</p>