<p>Hi all </p>
<p>I am in a prestigious private school with 3.95 GPA in mathematics-related major.
I took LSAT in February and got 173. I might be able to increase my score if I take it again in June. But that would be my last chance since I am already a junior in college and am not thinking of taking any gap year.
I want HY or other T14 with grants. I am a low-income but since I don't have a green card, I can't expect FA unless I get into H or Y.
I am also a college first generation so I hope that would get me some affirmative for a socially disadvantaged class.
My EC is not as good. It's pretty bad actually. President of one school club (community service related) but that is all. Internships in bar association and a research in a law school abroad. I am working on boosting my EC right now but I feel like maybe it's too late. </p>
<p>So How do my stats look for HY? any chances of grants in T14?
Should I take one more LSAT?</p>
<p>Chance for YLS, good, but YLS (along with SLS) is a black box for everyone, especially for students attending college in the US without US citizenship or Green Card since there are a lot of talented students in that pool.</p>
<p>Chance for HLS, great, though not auto-admit due to LSAT.</p>
<p>Chance for Hamilton at CLS, good, though not great due to LSAT.</p>
<p>Chance for Rubenstein at UChicago, I would guess good, but this is the first year, and there’s not much info on it yet.</p>
<p>Chances for at least half tuition at the rest of the T14, great.</p>
<p>If you are thinking about retaking the LSAT, know that if your score goes down, it would hurt your chances at HLS. If it goes up, HLS would probably average it.</p>
<p>if last score around 178, is it possible to get some money from CCN?
Or is there anything I can do to get scholarship from CCN? any special qualifications? </p>
<p>and I need full tuition, not half… unless they allow me to loan school funds. I am not qualified for federal loans.</p>
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<p>“if last score around 178, is it possible to get some money from CCN?
Or is there anything I can do to get scholarship from CCN? any special qualifications?”</p>
<p>You might get full tuition, but there around 10 Hamilton and 20 Rubenstein, and there are a lot of qualified applicants. If you had scored 178 on your first shot, then your chances would be great.</p>
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I feel like I’ve met far more Hamilton-candidates than this. Do you mean that this is the final number they actually give out?</p>
<p>Does CCN scholarship consider Activities?
What kinds of activities help a lot? I have one summer left so I am planning to work as a research assistant in some law school. Is it better than doing volunteer work if that law school is prestigious? what if it is not? </p>
<p>I am listed as a primary researcher in one of the legal publications abroad. But I don’t think that journal is recognized in the United States. Do law schools give credit for something like that?</p>
<p>“I feel like I’ve met far more Hamilton-candidates than this. Do you mean that this is the final number they actually give out?”
I’m not 100% sure on this, but I think they usually give around 10 (according to someone in the adcomm there). I could be totally wrong.</p>
<p>“Does CCN scholarship consider Activities?”
I don’t think so.</p>
<p>“Is it better than doing volunteer work if that law school is prestigious?”
No. Neither is better. And, law schools wouldn’t care unless you are on the borderline.</p>
<p>“I am listed as a primary researcher in one of the legal publications abroad. But I don’t think that journal is recognized in the United States. Do law schools give credit for something like that?”
Probably not, unless you are on the borderline.</p>
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Maybe this is the number that actually get paid out to students who matriculate at Columbia? I feel like I met a lot more than ten kids who received Hamilton offers.</p>
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<p>There are more than ten. Way more.</p>
<p>“Maybe this is the number that actually get paid out to students who matriculate at Columbia?”</p>
<p>Probably. I would guess that the yield for Hamilton isn’t very high, since the only people who seriously considered choosing Hamilton over HYS were ones interested in biglaw in NYC.</p>
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<p>I’ve heard of a variety of reasons, but most of them centered around the prestige associated with Harvard. This was before the economic crisis, so I’m sort of humored as to how the whole situation played out (though, to be fair, I encouraged them to take Harvard too). </p>
<p>If I was awarded a Hamilton, I’d have taken it over any school. Period.</p>
<p>“If I was awarded a Hamilton, I’d have taken it over any school. Period.”</p>
<p>I would choose Yale over a Hamilton in all cases. Many people choose H and S over Hamilton as well because the choice is often not full-ride at C vs. nothing at H & S.</p>
<p>If I get into HY, the school will cover all my expenses as FA. Unless you are rich and not qualified for FA, I think HY is a better option. </p>
<p>By the way, what is the score average for Hamilton? I couldn’t find the exact stats but according to what I found so far, it seems as hard as or even harder than HY to get in. urg</p>
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<p>Are you claiming that HLS and YLS are free for international students?</p>
<p>No but they offer FA to international students if they are qualified for the general FA standards. I am eligible for full grants in HY because I am a low income</p>
<p>You do realize that almost no aid from law schools comes in the form of grants, right?</p>
<p>Also, I can’t imagine that HLS and YLS have very different financial aid policies relative to, say, CLS.</p>
<p>hmm I read about their grant policies, and it says if your parents’ annual income is less than around 100K, then you can apply for grants. In my case, I am pretty sure I am eligible for grants cuz it is less than 40K. If it is completely need-based as they say so, I think there are not many ppl in HY who are more qualified for it than I am.</p>
<p>Sure, you can apply for some grants. But the vast majority of the aid they give you will be in the form of loans.</p>
<p>And in any case, this will be VERY similar to the policies across most of the T14 (and further down) anyway.</p>
<p>bluedevilmike is right on. Even at YHS, a large chunk of the financial support would be institution loans (which I believe they do give to international students, I could be wrong here).</p>
<p>“By the way, what is the score average for Hamilton? I couldn’t find the exact stats but according to what I found so far, it seems as hard as or even harder than HY to get in.”</p>
<p>This should be obvious. Hamilton, Rubenstein, etc. are used to draw applicants with auto-admit numbers at H away from YHS. They won’t give it to you unless they are fairly certain that they would need to entice you away from H. I don’t know about how it compares with acceptance into Yale, but the typical student admitted to HLS won’t be getting the Hamilton or Rubenstein. Acceptance into Yale might be a lot harder though.</p>