chances for oxford, cambridge, and kyoto??

<p>Gender: M
College Class Year: 2011
High School: Public
High School Type: sends many grads to top schools</p>

<p>Academics:</p>

<p>GPA - Unweighted: 4.00
GPA - Weighted: 4.48
Class Rank: top 5
Class Size: 1344</p>

<p>Scores:</p>

<p>SAT I Math: 800
SAT I Critical Reading: 800
SAT I Writing: 690
ACT: 35
SAT II U.S. History: 790
SAT II Math Level 2 (IIC): 800
SAT II Biology - E: 720</p>

<p>Extracurriculars:</p>

<p>Significant Extracurriculars: HOSA, FBLA, NHS, Key Club, varsity football&track
Athletic Status - varsity football-all-american wide receiver
Volunteer/Service Work: Key Club, NHS, Habitat For Humanity, hospitals over the summer</p>

<p>ive already been accepted into upenn but i was just curious if it was enough for overseas schools?</p>

<p>Have you applied to Oxford and Cambridge? It's supposedly forbidden to apply to both in the same application year. </p>

<p>Your stats look good, but Oxford (at least) will only make offers based on AP results. (At least, generally speaking.)</p>

<p>calvinnnnn,</p>

<p>How's your Japanese?</p>

<p>Unless you know around 2000 or more kanji, I'd avoid Kyodai.</p>

<p>i've heard that they generally want SAT scores to be all above 700 for oxford/cambridge. yeah it's true though - you can't apply to both. which have you applied for? and for what subject? </p>

<p>everything else looks fine though.</p>

<p>...they're not too fond of americans.</p>

<p>i didnt apply to any schools out of the us. i should have but the deadlines were amazingly early...(october-ish early) i was just curious as to the likelihood of my stats getting into prestigious schools outside of the usa. and maybe to transfer to one of those schools after a year at penn?</p>

<p>to UCLAri, lol i know the basic japanese which would be enough to have a japanese student rip me off the first day of class.</p>

<p>calvinnnnn,</p>

<p>"Basic Japanese" isn't going to get you a degree at Kyodai. I'm fairly fluent and had a lot of trouble with basic college level work at Tsukuba University.</p>

<p>The only successful non-Japanese grad of a Japanese university I know is a Korean fellow who is near-native fluent.</p>

<p>If you do consider Britain, there is one important wrinkle that may come as a surprise. You may picture yourself in England, the most populous region of Great Britain that includes London as well as those fabled universities (Oxford and Cambridge). But here's the rub: The English have a different system of higher education than that of the U.S. that makes degree study impractical in many cases. In England, undergrad degrees are complemented in three years, not four, and students are generally assumed to have completed thirteen years of schooling rather than twelve. As a result, the most selective English universities are reluctant to admit American high school graduates- some refuse to admit any- and the students who do get in will find themselves thrust into a world more appropriate for juniors and seniors in college. </p>

<p>The most important difference across the pond: while American universities generally encourage students to sample a variety of fields before choosing a major, British institutions expect students to know their major before they set foot on campus, in part b/c British students take their general education courses in high school. As a result, college coursework focuses almost exclusively on the student's major field, and American-style distribution requirements are all but unheard of.</p>

<p>The University of Cambridge has been particularly blunt about "the possible mismatch between the broad liberal arts curriculum of the North American high school and the specialist emphasis of British degree courses." In a recent year, Cambridge accepted only three students from U.S. high schools. The University of Oxford does offer a glimmer of hope for a few superachievers; Oxford considers American students who graduate in the top 2% of their class, and in a recent year, they enrolled about thirty Americans. Even so, the odds of admission to Oxford are lower than at any college in the U.S., including Harvard. The vast majority of American undergrads at both Oxford and Cambridge are there for a second bachelor's degree after earning one from an American institution.</p>

<p>The answer? Look to Scotland, England's less populous neighbor, where universities offer four-year degrees that are much better suited to the needs of American high school graduates. Scotland, which was an independent nation until 1706, has an illustrious intellectual history and has produced the likes of David Hume, Adam Smith, Rudyard Kipling, and Robert Lewis Stevenson. </p>

<p>OP, you would be better served to look at a place like Scotland's University of St. Andrews, which has a decades-long history of catering to American undergrads. A less selective option is the University of Aberdeen, a Scottish university that has stepped up its North American recruitment efforts. Other good choices would be the University of Glasgow (Adam Smith's old haunt) and the University of Edinburgh.</p>

<p>all-american reciever? what's your real name, if you don't mind my asking?</p>

<p>"Have you applied to Oxford and Cambridge? It's supposedly forbidden to apply to both in the same application year."</p>

<p>Really ? Noooooooooooooooooooo. Oxford and Cambridge are my dream Universities.</p>

<p>It's true, I'm afraid. Tough choice, but one has to make it.</p>

<p>Sucks. So Oxford is more lenient with American High School Students ?</p>

<p>you can still apply next year. most british highschoolers after graduating high school take a year off before they apply to university.</p>

<p>No, neither is more lenient than the other. </p>

<p>What do you want to study, btw? You have to specify it on the application, and different courses have different acceptance %s. It's not easy to switch subject once you arrive, because they admit limited numbers for each subject in each college. (E.g., at my college at Oxford, they admit a maximum of 4 students every year to study Chinese.)</p>

<p>Oxbridge don't like accepting students who studied under the US system for science degrees, because the level of knowledge they enter with is usually broader but lacking the depth of students from the UK system. You are more likely to be accepted for an arts degree, but there are exceptions to every rule. </p>

<p>Also, no offence to gchris07, but St Andrews in Scotland is popularly known for one thing only - Prince William graduated from there. It is known among UK students as a university for kids with rich daddies who didn't get into Oxbridge. If you want to go study in Scotland, the University of Edinburgh is the way to go. Fantastic university, fantastic city.</p>

<p>The crux of the matter is this: English universities are not a great option for American high school seniors. OP, you have a better chance of getting into Harvard than you do Oxford or Cambridge.</p>

<p>A common misconception is that the American version of higher education was imported from England. Not so. The American-style liberal arts institution came directly from Scotland in the person of John Witherspoon, a graduate of the University of Edinburgh who was lured to the U.S. in 1768 to head Princeton. With the model of his alma mater in mind, Witherspoon transformed Princeton from a small-time school for ministers into a broad-based institution that taught philosophy, history, geography, science, mathematics, and theology. In the process, he became the most influential educator of his time and charted the path on which the American university system has continued, more or less, to this day. &lt;/p>

<p>Basically, consider Scotland. </p>

<p>At British universities, there are no posh food courts or fitness facilities that resemble those of a ritzy health club. The student body will not come out on a Saturday afternoon for the big game- there are no big games. Dorms are generally the domain of first-year students; expect to find a "flat" for your upper-class years. Generally speaking, there will be no campus "bubble" to cloister you away from the real world- a good thing if you want an authentic sample of life in your new home. </p>

<p>Although the price tag for all this cross-cultural enrichment is about 1/3 less than that of a selective private institution in the U.S., there is a dark lining to this ostensibly silver cloud. Academic scholarships are scarce and institutional financial aid is all but nonexistent. Federal aid such as Stafford loans and Pell Grants can be transported in some cases, but most families will find themselves paying the full freight. And because exchange rates fluctuate, the bill can vary significantly depending on whether the dollar is weak or strong. For a searchable database of the few scholarships available for study in Great Britain, visit the British Council at <a href="http://www.britishcouncil.org/usa%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.britishcouncil.org/usa&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>But gchris07, if someone just wants a US university experience, why bother coming to the UK at all? Why not just stay in the US? In going abroad to study, someone should weigh up the differences and similarities carefully, of course, but if someone is going to consider every similarity as a positive and every difference as a negative, why bother going abroad?</p>

<p>I'm technically not studying under US System. I'm doing the International Baccalaureate Diploma Program. Also my High School is in the Top 10 almost always. I'm planning on pursuing a Degree in Biotechnology (or Nano-Biotechnology) and pursuing a MBA at the same time (if that's possible).</p>

<p>Milki - neither Oxford nor Cambridge offer Biotechnology (at least not at the undergrad level, and possibly not even at postgrad level). See the links below for info about course offerings. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.admissions.ox.ac.uk/courses/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.admissions.ox.ac.uk/courses/&lt;/a>
<a href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/courses/subjects.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/courses/subjects.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Also, I'm pretty sure that you can only study for an MBA after a few years working in a business field... that may be wrong, though. In any case, they won't let you study for an MBA without an undergraduate degree first.</p>

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The University of Cambridge has been particularly blunt about "the possible mismatch between the broad liberal arts curriculum of the North American high school and the specialist emphasis of British degree courses." In a recent year, Cambridge accepted only three students from U.S. high schools. The University of Oxford does offer a glimmer of hope for a few superachievers; Oxford considers American students who graduate in the top 2% of their class, and in a recent year, they enrolled about thirty Americans. Even so, the odds of admission to Oxford are lower than at any college in the U.S., including Harvard. The vast majority of American undergrads at both Oxford and Cambridge are there for a second bachelor's degree after earning one from an American institution.

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<p>Don't know where you are getting these bizarre stats from. Making them up on the spot? There are about 800 Americans at Oxford, about 700 at Cambridge. The vast majority are graduate students but there is still way more than 3 among the undergrads. More like 40. The chances of a UK student getting in are 1 in 5 and it's slightly less for internationals. Most UK schools have lots of internationals because this is how they make your money. if you can pay you will get in automatically to most of them outside the top 5 or 6. they need you to subsidise the undergrads. </p>

<p>yes, you can only apply to Oxford or Cambridge in any one year.</p>

<p>Scotland higher education is NOT exactly like a US degree. yes, there is some degree of choice if the first year, but very small compared to US schools. After that you have to specialise and there is no multiple changing of majors. Generally a Scottish High School education is still at lot more specialised than the US.</p>