Chances thread... again?

Colleges and Universities A-Z Princeton University
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<p>WILL I GET IN? Please evaluate my chances</p>

<p>Asian Male
Junior
Intended major: Econ/International Relations</p>

<p>GPA: 4.1
SAT 1: 2290 (800V, 800WR, 690M)
SAT II: 770 Wrld Hist, 700 Bio M, 790 US (estimate, just took it today) and 750 Math IIC.
APs: World History 5, English language 5, US history 5. </p>

<p>taken all honors and APs (save elective classes ie. Latin, where they only offered honors for the 1/2 sequence, but a regents for the 3rd year).</p>

<p>Senior year Schedule
AP Macro
AP US Gov
AP Stat
AB Calc
AP Bio
AP French
Latin 4 Honors
Health</p>

<p>ECs:
President of Model UN
President of Junior Statesmen of America (applying for a regional cabinet position, hopefully regional Assistant Director of Debate).
News Editor of School Newspaper (one of the only few weekly newspapers in the nation, according to my friend).
Treasurer of Amnesty International
National Honor Society
Filmmaking</p>

<p>Awards:
UNAR Outstanding Delegate award
CMUNCE Best Position Paper verbal commendation
(we have a really small MUN club, started in my freshmen year by some other dude, so I've only been to 3 conferences total, we only go to 2 conferences year round).
Reel Teens Film Festival 2004 Finalist
National Merit Semi Finalist (I got the letter for the top 50,000, and I'm awaiting september results, but my scores were both in the 99 percentile and in the semi fi range for New York)
National Latin Exam 2004 gold, 2005 silver</p>

<p>Summer of 2004: Junior Statesmen of America Princeton, took AP Comparative Gov and Speech COmmunication honors - got an A in gov, a B+ in speech (I slacked off cuz my proff was demented, but govy was an AMAZING class taught by a cornell proff).
Summer 2005: Will be working at the local library and taking classes at the local community college. SHOULD I TRY TO FIND A GOV/LAW INTERN INSTEAD? </p>

<p>Recs will be pretty good since my world history and latin teachers love me.</p>

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<p>you have a good chance. you have a succint and dedicated list of ECs.</p>

<p>good luck!</p>

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<p>Stats look pretty good, but nothing that really jumps out. EC's look very strong for your intended major and should help you when you do apply. Of course you are an Asian Male and... you know what they say about Asian Males...(I'm an Asian male...from California of all places...)</p>

<p>As far as your summer plans: Do whatever you enjoy doing. Library work and classes are good experiences and opportunities to learn more than you can in high school, but if you can get a good internship, then by all means take advantage of it. Internships are definitely some of the more unique experiences you can have and the people you get to work for, even if it's only as a clerical aid or something asinine, have a lot to offer.</p>

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<p>He's an Asian male with significantly higher verbal and writing scores, though. Sort of defies the stereotype, he could play on that and catch attention.</p>

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<p>looking good...</p>

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<p>you might, you might not... college admissions can be pretty random at times. you look like you're on the right track, but you'd probably be better off in assessing your chances by comparing yourself to other kids from your high school that have gone to princeton or other ivies than by asking us. good luck!</p>

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<p>How can one make his stats stand out?</p>

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<p>Black Male
Junior
Intended Major: Philosophy</p>

<p>GPA: 3.69
SAT 1 Predicted Score: 1800.</p>

<p>Senior Year Schedule (for 2005-2006):
A.P. Gov
Honors Eng.
Debate
Choir
Health
Pre-Calculus
Business Law</p>

<p>Clubs/Sports:
Honor Society
Key Club
Spanish Club
Debate
DECA
Football
Track
Basketball</p>

<p>Awards:
3 from debate
black history essay contest first place
african american scholarship contest (soon to be three time winner)</p>

<p>Camp:
Planning on attending Boys State this summer</p>

<p>Mentorship:
Planning on job-shadowing lawyers during the summer</p>

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<p>make a new thread and don't hijack this one.</p>

<p>you have low stats, though. REALLY low.</p>

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<p>I'm not sure about princeton, but you seem like you'll have a good chance at other top schools, due to the fact that you're an URM. I mean, unfortunately, you may get in because of ethnicity rather than merit, but that's just one casualty of race-based affirmative action. </p>

<p>Actually, I'm just going to hijack my own thread and start ranting about affirmative action. What this nation needs is CLASS-BASED affirmative action. Why? Because the original intent of AA was to provide a more equal-opportunity based higher education system in a society that is supposedly meritocratic. Do I give a **** about racial diversity? Personally, yes. However, I certainly do not want America compromising the quality of its students, and more importantly, compromising its dedication to the less fortunate but more deserving students, regardless of their racial background. We certainly can't let the purpose of education, which is to better society, take a back seat to this esteemed concept of multicultural diversity. In America, higher education is the device that keeps the American Dream possible. It is the only way poor students of all races can break free from the chains of cyclic and dyanstic poverty. </p>

<p><em>I'm not white, as most of you know already.</em></p>

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<p>I agree with you to a degree.
Colleges should give affirmative-action type of advantage to any people coming from low-income, difficult background b/c they don't have as much opportunity. But I think they are actually doing that right now. I know one white girl (sorry if it sounds offensive) from a ghetto school that got into Harvard. And I know that prestigious colleges are working hard to recruit people from all background. </p>

<p>And you're right, minorities who are wealthy shouldn't be given as much advantage, but I think that's also what the colleges are doing. They're not dumb; they're not gonna admit you just because you're black/hispanic/native american, especially the poeple from wealthy background. </p>

<p>Racial diversity is important, though, b/c education takes place outside the classroom as much as inside, and if colleges didn't have affirmative action, the student body would be homogeneous and would not learn to accept/ would not be exposed to others' views. I mean, take my school for example. In one class, most white students and the teacher ripped against affirmative action, and there was no minority to stand up for it. In another class dominated by minorities, the only white guy was constantly attacked for his view. </p>

<p>So affirmative action is good, but colleges should be (and they are, IMO) aware to whom they give advantage.</p>

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<p>there should be no affirmative action... life isn't fair. that's communism to help others... look at this:</p>

<p>africans
europeans
asians</p>

<p>anyway... you see, euroeapsn advanced without the asians and africans helps and that isw hy the present world is all european dominated. </p>

<p>AA should be ruled out.</p>

<p>that taken, i think ill get into princeton cause im mexican american and have top stats, plus I have roots in Mexico dating back to the 1800s.</p>

<p>hahahaha... by having a racially diverse thing, you are saying that different races are different.</p>

<p>i don't understand your liberal views? all races are created equal, right? well, probably not. it's why some ppl are good at math while others are better at english. just like how other races are better at other things than others... like how all whites are basically the brunt of a first world nation.</p>

<p>enough said.</p>

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<p>Not to completely hijack this thread but...</p>

<p>Affirmative Action is just one of those policies that are designed to be racially motivated for the purpose of equalizing the racial divide created by racist discrimination in the first place. It's mostly in place as a retroactive reparation for the long-standing "separate, but equal" view on education held for years between Plessy and Brown v Board (and afterwards for the matter).</p>

<p>In a perfect world, there would be no race divide to mend and no need for Affirmative Action. In a perfect world, Communism works. In a perfect world, we're all smurfs happily living in mushrooms reproducing asexually. But we don't live in a perfect enough world not to have some liberal goat pushing it in the right direction. </p>

<p>Right now, Affirmative Action can go a little overboard and hurt the good people for the wrong reasons. It's certainly not a perfect system, but the ideals behind it can't be deemed as flawed or inherently malconceived. The system of integration that it demands is a must to oppose the natural tendency of men to factionalize. Otherwise, we end up with what we see around the world in anarchical societies with civil strife, religious disorder, and man killing man for no reason more than the god they disagree with.</p>

<p>While we're the victims of unfairness now, just as the URM's have been before, we can't blame it on the intent of Affirmative Action's reverse racial discrimination. We're just unfortunate enough to live in a time where we're disadvantage compared to the norm, and that just means that we have to work a little harder to get what we feel we deserve. It's easier to beat the system than it is to change it...</p>

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<p>Go ahead guys....blame it all on the URM's for taking your spots since URMs can never be worthy of a good education...wow you guys disgust me...it appears to me that you guys believe that its only the wealthy URMs that get into top colleges since of course only wealthy URMs can get good grades, anyways youre entitled to your AA-bashing since there are so many underqualified URMs taking up all the spaces in the top universites and colleges of course dont like accepting people who arent URMs</p>

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<p>hey doctor, I can't comment on your chances since im only a sophomore :(. but congrats on your amazing accomplishments and good luck :P!!</p>

<p>ok, i really want your sat world history score lol. im taking the test in june <em>bites finger nails</em>, so please please tell me how you prepared for the test!!!!!!!!</p>

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<p>3 words: VALEDICTORIAN + LEADERSHIP (as in Senior Class, Student Body) + a major UNDERREPRESENTED MINORITY (Native American)= IN.</p>

<p>That's how one of my friends did it at my school. She only got a 1220, so stop freakin out over tests!!!!! She got upper 500s on her SAT IIs. </p>

<p>No other ECs, no particular talents, no other involvement (just "filler activities" that she showed up once or twice for and listed as just a member) except helping out at her church.</p>

<p>WIth a full scholarship, too. And even more $$ from her reservation.
Can you believe it?? She's practically set for life!</p>

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<p>thanks for building my confidence.</p>

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<p>ok</p>

<p>so that is me?</p>

<p>4.0 uw + president of sga + mexican american (not hispanic, but mexican)?</p>

<p>ahaha, w00t! is my skin color startin to work to my benefit now? (eminem's white america)</p>

<p>i am so glad most of my ppl are dumb idiots.</p>

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<p>Okay... reparations... <em>sigh</em>.</p>

<p>Let's start with the premise that AA is a government policy with the intent of bettering society. Now, let's put that policy (along with its attached purposes) under the lens of cost-benefit analysis. How does the purpose of reparations actually bring a total positive output for the whole of society? Do we give the African American prep, with all his meritocratic qualifications, even more leverage because his grandfather was a victim of Jim Crow? Will that help him or his race? The argument that having more minorities in positions of influence does not correlate to a "reciprocate" effect in which minorities go back to the "hood" to give back to their peers. Why? Because those who are incorporated into the AA program are predominantly lower-middle and middle class minorities (Read "A Hope in the Unseen" by Ron Suskind. That discussed extensively the predominance of middle-class minorities going to the big shot schools, while those of the lower class either could not make it in due to financial reasons or usually dropped out. The results are logically justified: Many of the lower-class minorities go to underfunded and poorly run schools. Their curricula are a good deal below the nation's standards, and so when such students make it in, they do have a hard time staying in). Do they have any experiences with the ghetto? Probably not. How then, would you expect such middle class minorities to be able to identify with their counterparts, especially in a society where the race issue is dwindling in significance (but still significant) and racial divides no longer as distinct? And if they can't identify, then how do you expect them to give back? Arguing that AA serves as a form of reparations is to give into an idealistic and easy notion of morality. It essentially makes the dominant power structure, the white power structure, feel better about itself, while further marginalizing its cyclically trapped lower classes in the name of long deserved justice. </p>

<p>Arguing for Affirmative Action based on class would inevitably be far more effective, and to a greater extent, far more succinct. We are targeting all those who NEED higher education (and rightfully deserve it, given their ability to succeed in the face of great adversity) in order to advance and to fulfill the true ideals of an equal opportunity society. </p>

<p><em>In a perfect world, we're all smurfs happily living in mushrooms reproducing asexually</em>
Actually, I'm quite content with sex, thank-you very much :-)</p>