<p>Look, people are very nicely trying to tell you that the GPA and scores are <em>extremely</em> low for the elite schools in the US, and you’re repeatedly batting away their explanations. Yes, the EC’s are impressive, but that’s one piece, and it’s not even the most important piece. Believe what you want to believe, but you’re getting a pretty consistent answer here.</p>
<p>I understand my GPA is low but I don’t like anyone insulting my college or country. That’s it.</p>
<p>I never said <em>anything</em> about your country. I didn’t even imply it. Go back and read what I wrote.</p>
<p>You said your GPA is low because your school is very challenging.
I’m pointing out that your low SAT score basically “confirms” your low GPA.
If you had a 2300 SAT with your GPA, then perhaps the case could be made that that you are trying to make, but you actually have two academic datapoints that basically confirm each other. Unfortunatly, what they confirm is that you’re a ways away from being a qualified candidate for the schools you mentioned.</p>
<p>ECs are used to make a differentiation between otherwise equal, qualified candidates. They are <em>not</em> going to turn someone away with a 2300 and a 4.0 in favor of you because of your ECs. It just does not work that way. You have a couple of interesting ECs (model UN and photography) but academically (which first and foremost is the most important criteria – and that’s pretty much universally agreed) you are simply out of range.</p>
<p>Furthermore: I know what the Yale rep told you. But admissions reps (irrespective of school) almost NEVER discourage a candidate from applying. My son got a letter from Harvard, practtically begging him to apply – and trust me, he’s certainly NOT Harvard material, not by a long-shot.</p>
<p>What is the name of your school / college in India ? What city ? </p>
<p>@gram22- Jai hind College Mumbai</p>
<p>I would like to suggest applying to some open curriculum colleges where your gifts can properly be appreciated. I would have to agree with the others that both your GPA and SAT are rather low. If what you say is true (low GPA thanks to school and low SAT thanks to personal problem), then you need to write about the personal problem in your essay. That said, even with that, @soze is right that these two values correspond, putting you in a negative light. If the admissions officer believes your essay and knows about your school, then you would have a higher chance. </p>
<p>I would like to conclude that even I (who probably won’t get into many of those colleges and am a foreigner) can get a decent SAT score with a bad experience. It tests simple mathematics and reading, that I would at most miss 20 altogether. For a Yale student, a higher score with a bad experience. The only excuse that colleges will accept for a low SAT score is an underprivileged upbringing. Unless you scrapped by with part-time jobs, a low SAT score will not be excused. </p>
<p>At some open curriculum schools, however, more emphasis is placed on what you want to be and the subjects you need to take to get there. SAT math won’t be as important. Good luck and please stop arguing with every commentor. We give you our opinions and sometimes ways to improve. We don’t care whether you get in or not, and you don’t need to prove to us how good you are. Based on your original info, here are our predictions. If you want to get into a good college, you need to prove your worth to the admissions officers, not us. </p>
<p>@woandering I’m applying to other colleges too.
I just don’t like what soze said. I have no issues with anyone else</p>
<p>Also I am currently in a part time job that I go to directly after work, everyday of the week. including sundays. </p>
<p>And I’m also sorry if it seemed like I was attacking anyone.</p>
<p>Your ECs are incredible…and I’m sorry about people saying things about your scores and your capability. A lot of people on CC are really stuck on those and they are not the end all be all of college admissions. Especially at schools like NYU, which I believe is test optional now. May be wrong on that though. Nonetheless, essays are there for a reason, so kill your essays and highlight that you are actually from India. Colleges love to diversify. I’m not sure about your GPA so I cannot comment on that…but try the ACT and get Barrons to raise your scores. ACT is relatively easy to study for quickly…and Barrons is the best to study w/. Yeah but tests like the SAT/ACT do not measure your overall capability…they just measure how prepared you were to take the tests usually. That explains why ACT/SAT scores go up as wealth does because wealthy individuals are given better resources/preparation for the tests. Regardless, Good luck. </p>
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<p>You are right that essays are there for a reason. The reason (much like ECs) is to be able to differentiate between otherwise equally qualified candidates. </p>
<p>A 1700 SAT and a 2.5 GPA does not make one “otherwise qualified” for Yale or Brown.</p>
<p>Also, yes colleges very much like to diversify, but since applicants from India have been so successful in large numbers at American universities for decades, Indian applicants are no longer considered diversity candidates.</p>
<p>@soze I would really like it if you would stop commenting now. I’ve seen you post on others too and you’ve done nothing but brought people down. I guess you’re a very negative person and I prefer not having any more of your pessisism here. Thank you </p>
<p>“The truth comes knocking at the door.
You say, ‘go away, I’m looking for the truth.’
And so the truth goes away.”</p>
<p>–Robert M. Pirsig </p>
<p>PS: Sorry but you don’t get to decide who posts here.</p>
<p>I’m kindly asking you to stop posting. I understand that if you want to, I can’t stop you, but with a request, I ask you to stop. </p>
<p>I understand your viewpoint that I’m not going to get into Yale or Brown, but a person can still dream right? </p>
<p>I really don’t understand your negativity, it’s as if you haven’t gotten into your choice of college or your son hasn’t and that’s why you’re taking it out on all of us. </p>
<p>I am going to still apply whatever happens and if I get in, I will tell you first. </p>
<p>So, I again ask you kindly please stop posting on my thread.</p>
<p>From a third party perspective UNgirl, soze was not that aggressive, you just didn’t like his answer. To answer your question your EC’s are solid, but you are applying to an ACADEMIC institution and your academics lack. All of the schools your applying to have a rigorous courseload so they won’t take “I have a rigorous courseload” for an excuse. With that being said you have a decent shot at the non-ivies, but there is no way to tell since your EC’s are your strong point and they can’t accept you solely based on your character. I would bet you’ll get into 1-2 of these schools, but I would also apply to some safeties. I would also calm my ego and apologize to soze for being a ■■■■■■.</p>
<p>So I just want to start off saying that these schools are going to be tough to get into. There are many students from outside of the United States who have far better scores and grades then you and are just as accomplished outside of school. Having said that I think Yale and Brown are not possible unless you can improve your SAT score and have to be lucky. Georgetown is similar but they might like someone with your credentials. Tufts I can’ t say too much about but I have had friends with stats similar (slightly higher) get in. Emory is a very strong possibility, they are looking for great people along with great students as is NYU and George Washington.</p>
<p>So overall;
Yale-High reach
Brown-High Reach
Georgetown-Middle Reach
Tufts-Reach
NYU-Match
George Washington-Safety
Emory-Match
NYU-Match</p>
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<p>@soze I’m sorry if I was rude to you, I am very stressed and I just want top hope. I know I have a very small to a minimal chance of getting in but even if there is a 1% chance I’m going to try. I just wish you wouldn’t be so harsh and previously you kind off insulted my education or country. I think you should just keep that in mind not do it. Thank you. </p>
<p>I just found out most universities, actually all except YALE do not require my SAT scores. So can you please judge me without my SAT scores? Thank you!</p>
<p>Most or all of the schools are reaches even w/o the test scores. This thread makes it seem like you were looking for encouragement, not honest opinions. Frankly, you did owe soze an apology and the one you provided was pretty lame. This sight values honesty and soze’s responses are the type that are typically appreciated here. Personally, I plan to suggest friends PM soze when they are looking for Chance info.</p>
<p>Here’s a question that you should find out the answer to : probably quite easily - In past years, have any other students from your school been admitted to any of your target schools ? If so, how did they do at your school ? what were their SAT scores ? </p>