<p>hi i am currently in thailand... this is another one of the chances questions....</p>
<p>will technical school like MIT or caltech look into low verbal scores rather than just focussing on the high math scores??</p>
<p>my stats:</p>
<p>sat 1: math 780 verbal 460 !!! writing 580 essay 10/12
sat 2: math 800 physics 760 chem 710
toefl: 267 computer-based</p>
<p>no gpa/class rank as i follow the british curriculum</p>
<p>doing full IB diploma
Math HL 7
Physics HL 7
Chem HL 6
English A1 SL 5
Thai B SL 7
Economics SL 4!!!!!!!!!
(NB: i reckon i will get 2 bonus points)</p>
<p>ECAs:
swimming since like 4ever, seasac, bisac, blah blah blah
play soccer a bit not serious ( not in school team... too busy with swimming)
invited to British Math Olympiad round 1 (top 800 in world)
gold, silver, and bronze certificates in british math challenge in junior, intermediate, and senior competitions on 3 consecutive years
math competition @ ISB (a school in thailand u prolly dunno) about a year ago
World cyber games (WCG 2005) 7th place in thailand at Warcraft</p>
<p>my description of myself:
i am very math/science orientated.... as you can see from my low verbal and economic scores.</p>
<p>here are the lists of the colleges im applying to.... wut are my chances???</p>
<p>1st choices: Caltech, MIT, Harvey Mudd
2nd choices: U of Michigan- Ann Arbor, U Texas- Austin
Safe choices: Illinois tech, Clarkson U</p>
<p>Hey i may be even more inexperienced as u, but i did the same thing and sometimes, u get harsh comments. i think that it doesnot matter what others say, just wait and see, but i would have advised that u resat in Jan.</p>
<p>From the MIT Admissions website ("International Students" pull-down):
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A competitive score for the TOEFL exam is 600 or better (250 or better on the computer-based exam).
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And from an entry about testing requirements from Matt McGann's blog:
[quote]
TOEFL is the one test for which we have minimum scores. They are: 577 (PBT), 233 (CBT) and 90 (iBT). You should aim to meet or exceed these target scores: 600 (PBT), 250 (CBT), 100 (iBT).
<p>that's the kind of stuff that makes me quiver with indignity. I believe I got something like a 6 or a 7 out of 12 on my essay. Something very close to HALF the score generally received by those with english as their third or fourth language.</p>
<p>For real pebbles. The essay is a bit unfair for those who can't write quickly (literally: the physical aspect). I got 80/80 on the multiple choice section and a 7/12 on the essay, but when I'm allowed to work with a computer the grades on my essays are in line with all of my other grades.</p>
<p>I'm glad MIT doesn't take the writing section into account.</p>
<p>I don't think your verbals are your biggest worry - are you applying as an international student? MIT currently only has 362 international undergrads (so about 90/yr), out of 4,115.</p>
<p>The internationals I know include the IMO champion, this girl who's taking more than twice the units I am and is utterly brilliant, etc. Realize you're also competing with internationals from China, Korea, Canada, and Europe (these four areas are the ones I've met the most of; they can be very skewed based on whom I interact with). Many of them speak fluent English and did quite well on the verbal. On the whole, it's just much harder for internationals to get in, so that might be a larger worry for you (not having the 800 SAT I math / SAT II sciences might actually hurt you more than your verbals).</p>
<p>But it's all in the admission office's hands now, so there isn't much you can do now. Relax, what will happen will happen. =]</p>
<p>Hriundeli, I found this on the admissions site:</p>
<p>For entry year 2007 and beyond: SAT I or the ACT with the writing test. In addition, we require two SAT II Subject Tests: one in math (level 1 (Ic) or 2 (IIc)), one in science (physics, chemistry, or biology e/m).</p>