<p>I hate inconsistencies. AP teachers should be communicating with each other about calculators, rather than everyone else having their own unsaid rules.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the school usually sides with the teachers. This sucks and is unfair, but most lame schools do stuff like that. You have a good case logically, but it's your "I didn't know" argument vs. his "cheating" argument. We all know how much schools hate the C word, and especially the P word (off topic)</p>
<p>i have everyone in my class supporting me that they didnt know the rules either, and some are willling to come and talk to the teacher and dean along with me.</p>
<p>fill us in on how it turns out</p>
<p>i will, my campaign is to get the counselor not to report it to colleges</p>
<p>any other consequence has no meaning to me at all. i can receive a 0 and still get a B final average in teh class, dont matta...any final tips on how i should proceed with my argument. im thinkin going in first thing mon to my counselor and explaining it to her before the teacher proceeds with action.</p>
<p>i still fail to see how this is plagarism</p>
<p>who said it was plagarism?</p>
<p>it would go under as cheating, not plagarism but that would still look horrible for colleges.</p>
<p>Wait, does the teacher know everyone does it?? At first I thought just you used it and were at an unfair advantage over classmates. It's worth it to tell them that everyone in the class uses them because they certainly can't book a whole class.</p>
<p>im still wavering over that. im far from a snitch, i would never mention any names, but do you guys think its snitchin to say 'the whole class'</p>
<p>no. you're not singling anyone out. and especially if other classmates are willing to talk to the teacher as you've said.</p>
<p>yeah just say a good majority of the class because im sure there were 2-3 people who weren't</p>
<p>don't rely on that tho. they might reply with the jumping off a bridge argument.</p>
<p>just say that the teacher said you were allowed to use calculators but didn't put any restrictions on how you were to use them.</p>
<p>see i wouldn't use that excuse though mathwiz, because some things are just a given~~ the teacher doesn't need to state obvious things</p>
<p>that wasn't so obvious. if a teacher says you can use your calculator and you use it, is he in the right to penalize you?</p>
<p>exactly...</p>
<p>but guys think about it. a calculator is a device made for mathematical calculations and you know thats what he intended it for. who knows if he even knew about the feature to write in notes. if he wanted you to have solubility rules, he would have told you and he would have posted them or put them on the test. he wanted you to learn them by memory, most teachers tell you what you need to know for the exam and what supplementary material you can use. So, I guess they could use the defense that you should have asked first.</p>
<p>then why not tell us to use a Scientific Calculator... any teacher who allows students to use a TI-83 needs to know what there getting themselves into if they dont set any rules or tell anyone to erase memory before a test</p>
<p>some schools are just very cheating-phobic. i remember once on a quiz, my teacher had us put our folders on the desks so we couldn't just look to the side and copy answers. one day, one of my folders fell down, and the teacher just automatically assumed i was cheating.</p>
<p>good luck</p>
<p>My teacher lets me use my ti-83 in chem. Its the one you referred to with the element information. She had no clue it had that until I told her because she liked it and wanted to buy one, but she said she trusts me not to use that during a test or quiz, so I can still use it.</p>
<p>i have the web-site that has the information about the element stuff and found this one
<a href="http://www.sciencegeek.net/APchemistry/ti_progs/ti_programs.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.sciencegeek.net/APchemistry/ti_progs/ti_programs.shtml</a>
which has a list of all these extremely helpful programs that a TEACHER made for his students... should i use this to support my case, that new calculators come with information so i thought entering in some of my own would be a good use of my calculator space?</p>