<p>Do you know anyone that cheated or anyone that got in trouble because of the cheating scandal? Friends moved to Raliegh and were looking for a house in the chhs area and now are concentrating on the East Chapel Hill area instead. it makes the leaders of the chhs school seem either clueless or inept.</p>
<p>I have been waiting to see if this topic would appear on CC. Please don't judge Chapel Hill High on one instance of cheating and national publicity. Yes, kids did cheat and yes kids did have possession of a master kid, but at most there were only 10 students out of the entire student body which numbers over 1,000. The high school has a long history of academic excellence and this is only a bump in the road. Currently high school administrators are working with those from East Chapel Hill High to put into effect some of their measures (which they put in after a cheating incident in 2001). The current principal has only been there since this fall and is well liked and respected by students and parents. No school is immune to cheating. I think the media has had a hay day with this. Chapel Hill High is and will continue to be a great school and your friends should not hesitate to buy a house in that district. I have one child at Chapel Hill High (and no they weren't involved) and another who will be there next year.</p>
<p>I understand you concern over the school and respect for the leaders but it appears as thought the cheating is more widespread than everyone has been lead to believe. it has been going on for years and kids that should have been recognized were not because the cheaters appeared to be much better students than they were. It also has possibly caused kids to be accepted at great schools like unc and others to not get accepted because of this.</p>
<p>and many schools have cheating but to have a master key to the school and for the cheating to be on ap exams and on and on and no one knew until now? for years and no one know? this is more than just a few kids looking at a test or copying someone's homework. </p>
<p>i feel for you and your school but someone really dropped the ball here.</p>
<p>there is a site called city data forum and it talks about this a lot. explains that this is such a big deal because it is a "ring" of kids doing this.</p>
<p>I am glad this topic is being discussed. Cheating is widespread at all of the Chapel Hill area high schools and is not a problem only in Chapel Hill. It has increased nationally as well. The Chapel Hill schools are extremely competitive and any time very bright students are ranked against each other, there is going to be manipulation by some in an attempt to better their odds of being admitted to a top college. The principal at CHHS is a fine individual and has only been there since September. CHHS has had seven principals in ten years so she inherited a lot of problems. East CHHS is not a cheat-free zone. One student caught cheating at CHHS transferred to East because she/he feared being profiled if she/he stayed at CHHS. She/he obviously did not suffer much from her cheating incident, she/he was recently accepted Early Action at Duke. According to several kids, she/he continues to cheat at East.</p>
<p>CHHS has many fine students that don't cheat and my daughter is one of them. The cheating is fueled by the parents and their win at all costs mentality. What saddens me is that the school and the district are responding to the threat of litigation by the parents of the cheating students. This information about the litigation is not from a child but an adult who works in the school. The parade of angry parents and lawyers has been disappointing. The school ran scared and many of the cheaters were allowed to re-take midterm exams that they had cheated on. Again, I think this was fueled by the parents and their power, not the school.</p>
<p>If anyone has dropped the ball, it is the parents and their lust for name brand colleges and their unwillingness to let their children be average citizens.</p>
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<p>hornet: I thought Chapel Hill High didn't rank? Or do I have that mixed up with another CH school? I remember a friend's daughter graduating some years ago from CHHS, and at the time, anybody who made straight A's throughout high school was named a valedictorian-- so, I assumed, no ranking?</p>
<p>Whatever-- seems a real shame.</p>
<p>Janie: All of the Chapel Hill public high schools rank. You are correct, the valedictorians are anyone with straight A's (4.0 unweighted GPA). The class rank is determined by weighted GPA. My understanding is that removal of class rank does improve the spirit of an academic community and lower cheating rates in schools. The NC Math and Science HS did this. Grades remained high and students became less stressed and more helpful with each other. Many competitive prep schools have also removed class rank for the same reasons. I wish the CHCCS would consider doing this.</p>
<p>hornet: Thanks. So even though valedictorians will be anyone with straight A's, they still choose to rank. I agree about ranking; doing so creates a lot of stress and unnecessary competition. Ranking also seems to prevent students from branching out and taking on electives that would really broaden their experience, making them generally more well-rounded-- but may not serve to elevate their GPA-- so they stay away from them. </p>
<p>7 principals in 10 years is quite a turnover. I hope the new principal can straighten out this issue. It's a shame that a few students can really ruin the reputation of a fine school. All the best with your daughter.</p>
<p>A lot of people in highschool cheat regularly. I'd say around 30% cheat regularly and prolly about half of them at my school are going to UNC or a equivalent school. This makes me mad because I am deferred and I don't cheat. These people who make all A's or A-'s would really be making B+'s or B's. Most of the time I still beat them on test and homework and stuff, but those times when we have a hard test and they get a 95 and you get a B are the times I am ready to just punch them in the face. IF someone who was caught for cheating(basically means you do it more than that one time) gets in over me I will f-ing kill someone.</p>
<p>Is this East Chapel Hill or some other school?</p>
<p>I'm at a top Wake county school and I've heard from friends here that East Chapel Hill is one of the top schools in the state behind our school, Raleigh Charter, and of course NCSSM</p>
<p>Chapel Hill High, its on par academically with East though.</p>
<p>Oh really? I've heard that Chapel Hill is much more ghetto than East.. :P</p>
<p>Chapel Hill High just has an old facility. The SAT scores of the two schools may favor East this year by 5-6 points; some years Chapel Hill is higher than East. Chapel Hill does house a few vocational programs that East does not have but these kids are usually on a tech prep track.</p>
<p>all of you seem very nice and well informed. i just don't know where the outrage is about unc still admitting kids that cheated even if they confessed.
all here seem to understand that this is not acceptable. for a wonderful, highly thought of university to admit these kids is like telling all kids out there to cheat and get the best grades, rank you can and if you say you are sorry it is ok. who are these kids that cheated. who are the parents that have so much pull that they can get around the system and convince everyone to overlook this? i am truly disappointed in unc and the decision to admit these kids. Everyone deserves a second chance but not at the expense of kids that they basically cheated (again) out of a spot at the school.</p>
<p>yes 2007mom. They're still admiting kids after confession. I have never even eyed at another students paper or cheated; I've never even help anybody else cheat. And I know that abt 80% of kids from my school who got accepted always sit together in tests and cheat. Its not even rare. All teachers know it and nothing is said about it. But I think (even after being mostly atheist) that some superior being (God, for say) might look after this problem in the person's future. They might cheat today, but they can't cheat forever.</p>
<p>Do you know that for sure-- that they're still admitting kids after they've confessed to cheating? If you're hearing that only from the students, I'm not sure I'd believe it. I doubt you'll ever know for sure, unless UNC announces it, and confidentiality laws may prevent them from saying anything publicly. I suspect you'll only know for sure if those kids suddenly end up going to other schools. UNC has a very strong honor code/board, and it would surprise me if those students face no repercussions.</p>
<p>Either way, I agree with you vickpick. That karma will get you every time. ;)</p>
<p>check this out janieblue
abc11.com:</a> UNC Chapel Hill reacts to high school cheating scandal 3/01/08
well on the contrary...they took in the mastermind....the one with master key in CHHS cheating scandal...they said he "came forward".....may be not the exact wording...something more convincing..
If he was accepted, i dont think any smaller scandal kids would be rejected.</p>
<p>^^^ and yea i don't use the word Karma as I'm Hindu, and Americans tend to overuse that word, often with the wrong meaning ....hint hint...</p>
<p>Karma means ones deeds...not fate created due to deeds..;)</p>
<p>although, u used it just like most americans...its not ur fault.. :)</p>
<p>vickpick: Well, I don't know. Perhaps they're following what's written on the application itself-- giving students a chance to come forward. That does seem disappointing, though, if they suffer no consequences from this.</p>
<p>Regarding karma-- yes, I completely understand. My little smilie face at the end of my sentence there should have clued you in that this was my attempt at a little humor. ;) </p>
<p>From wikipedia (where I get all my information)-- (again, a joke, but this really is from wikipedia):
Karma</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Karma literally means "deed" or "act" and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction that governs all life. Karma is not fate, for man acts with free will creating his own destiny. According to the Vedas, if we sow goodness, we will reap goodness; if we sow evil, we will reap evil. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determines our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response.
Karma is considered to be a spiritually originated law. Many Hindus see God's direct involvement in this process, while others consider the natural laws of causation sufficient to explain the effects of karma . . . Karma is not punishment or retribution, but simply an extended expression or consequence, of natural acts. The effects experienced are also able to be mitigated by actions and are not necessarily fated. That is to say, a particular action now is not binding to some particular, pre-determined future experience or reaction; it is not a simple, one-to-one correspondence of reward or punishment.
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yea.....thanks for the approval..lol..
yea i saw that u meant it as a joke...after i typed everything up.</p>
<p>Nevermind my previous posts. I just talked to my cousin who attends UNC, and he said that UNC is going to review the app's again. But it has not yet let any info out to any of media. Meaning all the info on news channels and sites is mere opinion. And that is what i relied my previous posts on. (I thought they were trustable-fully. How naive of me :S)</p>