<p>If you don't know about the cheating scandal refer to other threads.</p>
<p>does the decision to admit the cheaters hurt their reputation or change you interest in the school?</p>
<p>I really do feel bad for all the overstressed kids whose parents et al. have extremely high expectations for their success. Nonetheless, this cheating scandal is very disturbing on many levels. </p>
<p>My kids talk about cheating at school but it's always been about the kids who barely get by. This scandal involves the elite who have found sophisticated, high tech cheating techniques to insure their acceptance to the uber elite universities of the nation.</p>
<p>Something needs to be done about this at the university level. It's hard enough to get accepted to top schools by honest labor. For UNC not to make an unequivocal statement about this scandal does the school a terrible injustice.</p>
<p>So, for us YES......</p>
<p>2007mom,</p>
<p>Your post is a little unclear. Are you stating that UNC has made a decision to admit those involved in the cheating or are you asking a hypothetical question?</p>
<p>I am guilty of bringing up the news articles about "coming forward" and UNC admissions. I have now heard that UNC has decided to review the cheating kids they had admitted before their honor board to decide the cheating student's fate. I suggest we wait and see what happens here before we speculate further.</p>
<p>Haha before i joined this forum yesterday,,,UNC was my dream college...and i thought it was perfect in all aspects of my interest in the college.
But some stuff on this site has led me to rethink about that. Although, UNC is still my dream college ;).</p>
<p>Vickpick, this is an internet forum. Watch where you step.</p>
<p>You're Right Polarisking. I shouldn't trust everything on the net.
As I said before UNC is still my dream college</p>
<p>Not if the kids come forward and admit their mistakes first. If someone tries to hide it and then gets caught, then I would think they'd revoke admission.</p>
<p>But honestly, cheating is nearly commonplace in high school nowadays from what I've seen. My high school (a competitive public school in NY) didn't even rank (we used percentiles) and yet there was still a tone of copying, probably moreso in the AP classes than anything else.</p>
<p>^^^ Well I dont believe its rare either. I totally agree with you.
Its just the choice of my seats that keep me from even having a chance of cheating...lol. I always sit in the front row, either to the ultimate right or ultimate left. Most teachers wander around the corners, not the centers.
I don't even give myself a chance to do so. Also, I don't trust teachers.(They might not say anything to others and the first time u do something, they might give u a zero on the test. So I dn't even try.)</p>
<p>Cheating may be commonplace (and I suspect it is), but if you get caught the consequences can be severe. Schools with competitive admissions policies have no incentive to accept students known to be dishonest. Perhaps I am naive, but I do not believe that coming forward and admitting involvement in cheating will solve the problem for these students.</p>
<p>UNC will not change in my mind. It is still a top notch university where you will get a great education. I believe that UNC should follow the lead of CHHS. If they expel the students involved and of those accepted, UNC will have to rescind. If CHHS only gives them a slap on the wrist and suspends them, then most likely it will not show on their HS transcripts and therefore have no basis for rescinding th acceptance letter. If guilty students have already matriculated, then UNC must only base any future decisions on what they have done during their time there.</p>
<p>In Germany there isn't any cheating. They consider it helping someone. When people from Germany come they think that signing your pledge is just some sort of joke. I just thought this was interesting.</p>
<p>wow...thats not good.
Well germany's population is declining too..
any correlation ?....haha...im just playing.</p>
<p>tyr, it is my understanding that unc "requires that you admit to any wrongdoing after you have applied." I may be mistaken but I would think any reputable institution would feel that way. I for one would hate to see the kids gain admission simply because they were smart enough to take the contrite route and beg forgiveness. it does not teach any of our kids anything to handle it this way. don't we want our kids to know or at least think that doing something so wrong warrants serious punishment. my own college age child said that this is not cheating, it is criminal! it is breaking and entering. didn't they enter the school without permission?</p>
<p>Of course this is still everyone's dream school but we all want it to stay that way. I guess my thought process was would other schools handle it the same way?</p>
<p>polar...what did you mean by the comment to vick? even if admissions reads this site or anyone else, this a forum to discuss these things and if it were to have a positive impact on how to handle this, i think it would be wonderful.
and none of this is false information. look up the scandal on line and you will see the articles and news concerning this incident. the question was not whether you still want to go but would it change the way you feel at the school and for that matter any school if this was overlooked?</p>
<p>I would be surprised if these students get a free pass on this. UNC has a strong and well-respected honor code/board, and I would be surprised if this were simply forgotten and forgiven.</p>
<p>Also, I'm sure UNC would be very careful, go slowly, and ensure they get the true story before making decisions.. (Certainly, had Duke done this with the whole lacrosse fiasco, they wouldn't be facing lawsuits now.) Schools, including UNC, have to follow confidentiality laws as well. </p>
<p>This case seems to have included breaking and entering, as 2007mom said, so it's not just about cheating. I would assume that's a felony or misdemeanor charge, if the high school decides to press charges. That would impact their admissions/applications as well, wouldn't it?</p>
<p>i dont think CHHS is pressing charges. they dont want to get caught up with legal trouble and complicate matters. trust me, our teachers are good but we have a lot of pushovers and few "strong willed, stand up for you" teachers. i talked to one of the kids who had a master key, and they said at the moment they were'nt goign to press charges cause the parents would bring really good lawyers and the district would lose money hiring one themselves. so their final punishment may jsut be 6 days OSS. which is absolutely CRAZY.</p>
<p>I doubt OSS will be the only ramification.</p>
<p>If UNC knowingly admits the kids who cheated, yes, it will change my opinion of the school, and yes, that would make me less likely to attend. I can't represent a school that places statistics higher than integrity.</p>
<p>But again, there is no evidence that UNC knew about the cheating scandal prior to a few weeks ago, right?</p>
<p>no of course unc did not know about this. if the kids were accepted prior to last week at any school, the school would not have known. this all happened last week and as far as i know, no one has been notified of acceptance sine the early ones in Jan. but if these kids were already accepted then they should be rejected now. and if their apps are in process, again they should be rejected. i really hope they do not ignore this due to wealth, connections, whatever. the threat of lawyers and the implication that a school would cave (chhs) when confronted with a lawyer is upseting.</p>
<p>Even though I'd be absolutely mortified if UNC knowingly accepted those students who cheated, personally, I would still go. A good school is a good school, it doesn't downgrade the professors or the workload. It would just be a shame and goes to show: money always win.</p>