<p>Rabo - I agree that this is the case in most transitions between cheating in high school and in college. However, my high school has an 'honesty policy'. There are a good number of take home tests, as well as a lot of quizzes in class, during which we aren't seperated because "we're old enough to know better" (these policies started sophomore year). Regardless, the majority of students cheap/copy. They simply don't care what the teacher thinks of them. :/</p>
<p>"I don't know, otacon88. If you know rocket science and got poor grades, I'm sure some schools would still love to have you. For instance, some might look upon you like other specialists, such as athletes."</p>
<p>Yes my knowledge of rocket science definitely helped when I applied to schools. It isn't a substitute for good grades, but it can definitely set you apart from other candidates like any hook.</p>
<p>I'm not joking.
<a href="http://www.mdra-archive.org/photos/metra082204/ChuckRudy/HarBazN3500.mov%5B/url%5D">http://www.mdra-archive.org/photos/metra082204/ChuckRudy/HarBazN3500.mov</a></p>
<p>Oh yea... don't cheat.</p>
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<p>So when an interviewer asks you about your passions you're going to say grade grubbing?</p>
<p>And colleges do care about academic honesty.</p>
<p>There is no right way to do something that you know is wrong.</p>
<p>Investment banking is a tough job, insane hours 90+ a week, boring work (spreadsheets, excel, powerpoint) and A LOT of stress. So when you interview for a job like investment banking do you tell the truth (you're only doing this for the money, prestige and experience) or do you just B.S. and tell them what they want to hear.</p>
<p>Obviously, you don't tell them your a grade grubber, just say that you're really into rocket science etc... The whole college process forces students to take classes they don't want to take, aspiring doctors taking AP literature, Engineers taking AP Euro and History... obviously no one has an interest in every subject but you're forced to take them anyways to gain acceptance.</p>
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<p>If you think passion is that easily faked then you haven't spent very much time around people who are actually passionate about what they do.</p>
<p>And all those senators and presidents that get elected really passionately care about the little people... It's called acting, some people are good at it.</p>
<p>Yes, acting exists. It's also often fairly easy to see through.</p>
<p>People make me laugh.</p>
<p>beck86nj, every response you give in this thread is using your own opinions and what you would do.</p>
<p>I don't think you could accurately say the kids at your school would cheat on it or not, because you don't know every kid in depth, you don't know all of their circumstances and every aspect of their lives.</p>
<p>Just like the acting issue. While YOU may see through a politician's acting, the vast majority does not -- because they still re-elect them. So they either do not see the acting, or choose not to view it as a negative aspect.</p>
<p>Well, a previous claim was that 99% would cheat. </p>
<p>My school has 300 kids. I know many of them fairly well. </p>
<p>I am in a design class with all Olin sophomores right now. The professors have decided to give us closed book outside of class online quizzes. Some people think the quizzes should be open book, so they've been discussing the issue with the profs. The profs will probably keep the quizzes the way they are, in which case we will take them with books closed because that's what we've been told to do.</p>
<p>I guess you think it would be easier and smarter for us to go to our rooms and quietly cheat, but we won't do that.</p>
<p>I feel bad for you.</p>
<p>It's true you can act like you're passionate about something, but even the best actors can be tripped up.
While it is hard for me to imagine someone being that passionate about being a bank teller (sorry to say, definitely wouldn't be me!), a hiring manager who has delt with hundreds, even thousands, of candidates can usually tell passion vs. acting pretty easily.
Common interview questions are oftentimes very open-ended to make sure you do in fact have both passion for and knowledge about the position.
I've also learned that, despite my fairly extensive acting and theatre background, it is generally best to be 100% honest with my interviewers because I have sat on both sides of the table as well as having been interviewed for jobs by people whom I trust and know well enough to get their honest opinions of how the application process went (following the selection process, of course).
One way I've learned from those experiences that helps with interviews A LOT (and makes you look better, btw) is to actually sort of interview the company--ask questions both before the interview and even at the end of the interview--be prepared.</p>
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<p>Because? (+ chars)</p>
<p>I attend Wells College, and we take the honor code very seriously. I heard a student in the dining hall the other day mentioning her concern at seeing a student initial the sign-in sheet and then leave for the rest of the class. The student in the dining hall was concerned about how she should approach the other student.</p>
<p>We often take unproctored exams, and we are expected to behave honestly; cheating is dishonest. You may justify the behavior, but that doesn't make it ethical.</p>
<p>sometimes you've gots to do what you've gotz to do</p>
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<blockquote> <blockquote> <p>^^^But why compromise your integrity when so little is on the line? It's like cheating on your girlfriend with an ugly hooker or something. It just doesn't seem worth it.<<<</p> </blockquote> </blockquote>
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<p>i like that response....the way the OP put, they alternated, so it must mean they know what they are doing. but just feel like it would be more "time effective" (lazy), to switch turns. Its not like one person is doing it all and both are getting credit. Im not saying this is the right thing to do but its not like one person is doing all the work.</p>
<p>So let me get this straight. If some situation occurred in which you needed an A on the last test of the year in order to get a passing grade, but you didn't understand most of the material on the test. The night before the test, you're friend tells you that they somehow obtained a copy of the test with answers, and there was no way that either of you could get caught.</p>
<p>Honestly, would you look at the test?</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>It's your stupid ass that doesn't understand anything, nor studied for it at all earlier. What's the point?</p>
<p>I would tend to think that a "take home" online quiz like that is given more for review and study purposes; that the prof understands the potential for cheating but also understands that anyone who does so is really cheating themselves more, by not getting the review or knowledge of where their weaknesses are. Its like cheating on a work out, you lose the benefit by not getting in shape.</p>
<p>(I do think the situation is somewhat ameliorated by the fact that they take turns doing this and probably also discuss the answers each time). Perhaps the prof has even said something in class which you don't know about, to the effect that the grades are not important, it's mostly to show where the students need work and show him areas he may need to review.</p>
<p>If it really bothers you, why can't you just send an e-mail to the professor telling him about the potential for abuse and how it can be done but don't mention your roommate her boyfriend (and of course, to protect the guilty, use an untracealbe aol or yahoo, address, not your college edu mail address!). If he cares he will change the system and or talk about it in class. And if he does change he system, you won't rouse the ire of your roommate by having told her your concerns.</p>