Chinese Majors and Merit

College Search & Selection
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<p>I'm a hispanic female, and I'm a good student looking to transfer. I'd rather not get into the nitty gritty of my scores/GPA simply because I'm just "looking" at the moment as to where else I could consider. That said, while I'm a great student throwing out all the Ivies at me probably won't help me much. </p>

<p>I'm looking for above all else, an exceptional East Asian Studies/Chinese department. I'd love if it had EAS Art History subset (or even literature/anthropology) and a general depth in the department. I'd value something small and intensive than a bigger department with "less". If the classes and professors are good, I'd like it on the list. I'd like to eventually go to Grad school so student research being encouraged would be great. So would study abroad programs being encouraged/language houses or tables, etc. </p>

<p>(Additional japanese/korean classes are cool too!)</p>

<p>That said, I'd have to add this caveat:</p>

<p>I'd prefer merit aid (if there are schools willing to give it to transfer students, I'd like to hear about it.) in addition to need based aid. Schools that ask for the CSS PROFILE aren't at the top of my list, because I have a non-custodial parent who makes quite a bit of money that can't all go to me. I'd ideally prefer FAFSA schools, but I know many of the best schools ask for the PROFILE. It's worth considering, but I don't have $40,000 to go anywhere so...</p>

<p>I'm willing to consider any place with a really great Chinese dept. </p>

<p>So, help me make a list? :]</p>

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<p>I am not sure where in the USA would have a school fits in your category, St. Johns and Seton Hall are the two I know of, but have no idea if they are FASFA only schools. UVA should have a good department as my deceased Uncle was the Asian department head there.</p>

<p>The best bet for you I think would be schools in Taiwan or China. The total cost over there is much less than those in the USA and you can learn Chinese culture from the Chinese instead of some American colleges that are half way. The resources over there is much stronger and you are forced to learn the language in the native tone.</p>

<p>The Universities in China are tight in admission, they are difficult to get in because they do not have enough colleges. However, Taiwan has abundant of high education resources and you should take advantage of that.</p>

<p>here is a list of universities in Taiwan</p>

<p>[List</a> of universities in Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Taiwan]List”>List of universities in Taiwan - Wikipedia)</p>

<p>I have lost the track of ranking of the universities there, but if you have decided to go overseas, I’d be happy to make some recommendations.</p>

<p>One thing you can be sure of, that you will easily find teaching English & Spanish jobs in the orient, which will pay for your living expenses.</p>

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<p>I took a look at the tuitions for two schools in Taiwan, one is a National Public University, the other is a Private University.</p>

<p>The posted tuition for the Public school is around $750/year and the private is around $1,500 which is not going to break your bank.</p>

<p>The private University (Soochow U) only take in 5 students in the Chinese Department each year from overseas. I guess the competition is still there. SU happened to be one of the better schools.</p>

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<p>Check out Oberlin. They have excellent Chinese studies and they do offer merit aid.</p>

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<p>I’d love to study in China, but I’m a little weary about going to school in China for my degree. It’d be nice and affordable but extremely complicated, I think. I’m also unsure about how big the language divide would be, and whether or not I should be learning to read more heaviliy in traditional rather than simplified. </p>

<p>Not to mention the other things I’d have to worry about- Transnational flights, visas, translations of important documents, etc. </p>

<p>I don’t really know how it works there, either. </p>

<p>I guess I’d like to see one of the following:</p>

<ul>
<li>Fafsa</li>
<li>CSS + Merit aid</li>
<li>fafsa + merit aid</li>
</ul>

<p>That sort of makes it broader? I don’t care so much if it’s public or private (or if the school is huge or whatnot) just that department is there, and “good” in the sense that it has a full major and good professors. </p>

<p>I realize it’s a bit of a reach, I’d just like to keep my expenses down and still get my major.</p>

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<p>Well you have 4 already</p>

<p>Oberlin
Uva
Seton Hall
St. Johns (NY)</p>

<p>I think you are overly concerned in study overseas. The paperwork for entering the country is going to be easy. The flight is going to be just as if you are flying from NY to LA with just a few hours longer. All universities in China and Taiwan are English literate, the web sites are written in both languages. If you are a Chinese major already, you should blend right in. You may have to take a semester to get accustom to the language, its not going to be the same thing as in the US. But you will learn it quickly.</p>

<p>I think you should study traditional as simplified is so easy once you master the traditional. They are the same laguage you know. But most of all, if you are truely interested in Chinese and its culture, you must be there eventually. You cannot possibly to learn the idiosyncrasies of a different culture without being there.</p>

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<p>I’m looking at UVA now. It actually does look really good- and I think I could reasonably be competitive for acceptance. And it is need based/fafsa. Thanks. </p>

<p>I’m not a Chinese major, as my school only has classes in Chinese- two years worth. I don’t know if that truly makes a difference but that’s why I’d be transfering. </p>

<p>I really am going to consider studying in china, but I would understand if my parents had slight reservations with me obtaining a degree outside of the U.S. </p>

<p>That said, does anyone know if say, San Francisco State would be any good? Forgive my horrible lack of knowledge about San Fran, but it’d be nice to make visits to China Town. I know a lot of the schools that have good Graduate EAS Art History programs are in Cali…but I know less about the undergrads.</p>

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<p>If you are the Uva type, a very good student. You will be fine with an overseas degree, remember you are Chinese Major. Believe me, the undergraduates from China and Taiwan have no problem to get into Ivies or top research Universities for graduate work. So what is the problem for an American with a degree from China? I think the Governemnt will LOVE to hire some one who knows both worlds, especially CIA and FBI…</p>

<p>There are actually thousands of foreign students currently studying in China and Taiwan. However if you want to study Chinese per se, you probably need to take a year to catch up, just like those students from other counties need to take ESL here. It will be tough for some one who had only two years of American college level Chinese to suvive the rigors of Chinese Major in Chinese Universities. They will delve deep into the poems and analysis of authors’ biography on day one and you are still in the conversational level. You can, however, major in Political/Social Science/Arts/Econ and learn a lot of the Chinee language as well.</p>

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<p>Regarding SFSU or USF, I don’t know if there is a Chinese department. Forget about the ChinaTown, it is just for the tourists, you cannot dig out any Chinese Literary subject there. You can buy a lot of Chinese books in the book store, nevertheless.</p>

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<p>Middlebury has a fabulous Chinese department. Also you can major in international studies with an east asia and art focus. I don’t know about aid, though. Do a search for asian studies on college confidential. I think people usually mention west coast schools as having great programs.</p>

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<p>The Department of East Asian Languages and Literatures (DEALL) in the College of Humanities at The Ohio State University is one of the largest programs of its kind in the continental United States. It offers undergraduate degrees in Chinese and Japanese language and literature, as well as a growing number of courses in Korean language and culture. The graduate program offers the M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in both Chinese and Japanese in the areas of literature, linguistics, and language pedagogy. DEALL’s undergraduate language programs offer one of the most extensive and diverse curricula in the country. They include innovative programs such as the Individualized Track and the Intensive Track language programs, which are offered throughout the regular academic year, as well as the Intensive Track Summer Language Immersion Programs in Chinese and Japanese. Furthermore, DEALL offers an impressive array of specialized courses in the summer including intensive workshops designed to instruct teachers of Chinese and Japanese in the art of language teaching at both the college and secondary school levels. Developments in the near future include a summer series of courses on Chinese drama and film. </p>

<p>The Department has been the recipient of an Academic Challenge Grant from the State of Ohio for its innovative and excellent program in Japanese Studies. This grant facilitates Japan related research activities throughout the College of Humanities and provided for the recent hiring of one Japan specialist in history and another in Japanese literature. </p>

<p>The Faculty
There are currently eighteen full-time faculty, half of whom are female. It is one of the most active and productive of any faculty in the country in East Asian studies, with the publication of over thirty books in Chinese and Japanese literature and linguistics, and numerous articles and conference presentations. It is also the former site of the Journal of the Chinese Language Teachers Association, which was edited by faculty members for nearly fifteen years. As of January 1998, it is the site of the Chinese Language Teachers Association Home Page, maintained by Prof. Marjorie Chan and co-hosted by the College of Humanities and the Department of East Asian Languages and Literatures. DEALL is also the new home of the journal, Modern Chinese Literature and Culture . Professor Kirk Denton is the Editor. Other Web sites maintained by DEALL faculty include Professor Mari Noda’s SPEAC home page for the Summer Program East Asian Concentration, and Professor Galal Walker’s US/China Links. In addition, there are, of course, other Web pages created in the Department by faculty, including course pages and other interesting links. </p>

<p>Faculty have organized a number of workshops, symposia, and conferences over the years. They have received research grants from such organizations and agencies as the American Council of Learned Societies, the National Endowment for the Humanities, the National Endowment for the Arts, the Ohio Humanities Council, and the Social Science Research Council. In addition, several faculty have received Japan Foundation and Fulbright-Hays fellowships, as well as a grant from the Chiang Ching-kuo(CCK) Foundation. One faculty was named a National Foreign Language Center Fellow, and another was selected as one of the University’s first Lilly Foundation Fellows. Two faculty were in Japan as Fulbright scholars for the 1993-94 academic year, while a third was a Visiting Scholar at Tohoku University, holding one of the most prestigious positions available for an American scholar of Japanese. </p>

<p>Faculty are also engaged in consultation with business and industry and evaluation of programs at other universities. Consultations with businesses include the teaching of Japanese or Chinese to employees of Battelle, Borg-Warner, and Honda. Faculty have evaluated programs at Bryn Mawr, Wittenberg, Berkeley, and Connecticut College, among others.</p>

<h2>Official Website: [The</a> Department of East Asian Languages and Literatures](<a href=“http://deall.osu.edu/aboutUs/default.cfm]The”>http://deall.osu.edu/aboutUs/default.cfm)</h2>

<p>If you don’t mind attending large research university, Ohio State has one of the most comprehensive East Asian Languages Programs in the country. Also, as ‘artloversplus’ alluded to above that studying chinese language in Taiwan would be another option. The Mandarin Training Center (MTC) (國語教學中心) in particular is one of the world’s oldest and most distinguished programs for Chinese language study. It is run by National Taiwan Normal University in Taipei, Taiwan. G’Luck! :)</p>

<p>Official Website: [url=&lt;a href=“http://web.mtc.ntnu.edu.tw/mtcweb/]???%5B/url”&gt;http://web.mtc.ntnu.edu.tw/mtcweb/]???[/url</a>]</p>

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<p>If you want to study abroad for language training, and you’ve had some Chinese, you should look at this program which has both summer and academic year sessions.</p>

<p>[Inter-University</a> Program for Chinese Language Studies, UC Berkeley](<a href=“http://ieas.berkeley.edu/iup/]Inter-University”>IUP - CHINESE CENTER at TSINGHUA UNIVERSITY)</p>

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<p>The Ohio State University Chinese Flagship Program </p>

<p>Preparing Americans for China-related careers</p>

<p>The Language Flagship leads the nation in designing, supporting, and implementing a new paradigm for advanced language education. Through an innovative partnership among the federal government, education, and business, The Language Flagship seeks to graduate students who will take their place among the next generation of global professionals, in one of many languages critical to U.S. </p>

<p>The Ohio State University Chinese Flagship Program provides American students with the language and cultural expertise necessary for a China-related career.</p>

<p>Official Website: [The</a> Ohio State University Chinese Flagship Program](<a href=“http://chineseflagship.osu.edu/]The”>http://chineseflagship.osu.edu/)</p>

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<p>I looked at the SFSU Chinese program, it looks crediable from the web site. But I think it is a bit light with only seven professors teaching languages. </p>

<p>I like the UCB program better, it is linked with Tsin Hwa Univ., a tipy top school in China.</p>

<p>The Ohio State program is pretty extensive, work jointly with Normal Univ. in Taiwan, a tipy top school as well.</p>

<p>I know HPY all have great programs, but we are not talking those schools.</p>

<p>However, I still think if you want to learn Chinese, why bother to go to a US univ. and work in an English/American environment and ended up not be able to master the language and the culture. Go to where the MARKET is and learn from the true masters. It will be a challenge, but you are in a real environment that will force you to mingle with natives on day to day living in China or Taiwan.</p>

<p>My wife is a SU graduate major in English from Taiwan, when she got here starting her MBA in AZ, her English was still poor but manageable. After 30 years living in USA, she can manage herself in her technical position, but her English writing is not on par with any American Educated English majors or even humanity majors.</p>

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<p>Here is some reading from a web site I stumbled upon:</p>

<p>[Study</a> Chinese in Taiwan](<a href=“http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/0505/study_chinese_in_taiwan.shtml]Study”>http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/0505/study_chinese_in_taiwan.shtml)</p>

<p>of course, it is just opinions from author point of view.</p>

<p>Also, there are many threads with similar subject in the international section on cc.</p>

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<p>I’m not sure if you have taken Chinese language classes or classes about China. The language (if attempting to obtain superior level speaking, reading and writing) typically takes at least 5 years of intensive college training. Take a look at The Language Flagship on the web. It is a group of colleges that have been given federal funding to develop programs that deliver students of high proficiency levels. The programs are not from the faint of heart. They take the dedication of serious students. Most, if not all, combine intensive classroom training here in the US with time spent studying in China. The Ohio State houses one of the programs. However, there are many other very fine programs at Universities that may offer better merit/financial aid/location for your particular needs.</p>