<p>No I dont assume every asian is rich and successful and that is shown in my previous posts, Chamblee and in many ChinaTowns, it proves under survival situations, Asians struggle as well. And yet again I didnt say that about all Hispanics, previous post I said that well off Hispanics also score well(usually well off hispanics dont have many reasons to come over). And since we have a whole lot more illegal hispanics here than illegal asians, its used to respond to your previous post about languages. Hispanics dont learn languages because they dont have the oppurtunities, while legal asians have more. I hate repeating myself, just read previous posts. I suggest you take sociology.</p>
<p>How are hispanics discriminated against? Are you naive? </p>
<p>You know how many illegals in this country dont even get paid minimum wage? You know what kind of neighborhoods hispanics are forced to live in because they have no education coming here? There is a neighborhood around here that is 90% hispanic, and they all have to move because of methane poisoning(housing was built over a landfill). Again I think the difference between hispanic and Asian immigrant success is socioeconomics and education. It is so much easier to make it if you are living here off of a scholarship at a university rather than working for less than minimum wage. Wake up Spartan, the majority of the real world is not the college confidential world.</p>
<p>no, I meant modest backgrounds compared with people in China(i.e. children of workers, the proletariate, whatever you want to call them). University education is relatively cheap in China(or was relatively cheap, I don't know about now) such that if you did well in tests, your family could probably pay their way out of it even if that meant eating less well, sleeping less well, etc. (And yeah, chinese families tend to care more about their children doing well in school, even in china)</p>
<p>Yeah, most of the chinese people you see here, except maybe in China town, will be doing quite well. But that doesn't mean they were born that way. Most likely, they worked their ass off for it.</p>
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<p>You know how many illegals in this country dont even get paid minimum wage? You know what kind of neighborhoods hispanics are forced to live in because they have no education coming here? There is a neighborhood around here that is 90% hispanic, and they all have to move because of methane poisoning(housing was built over a landfill). Again I think the difference between hispanic and Asian immigrant success is socioeconomics and education. It is so much easier to make it if you are living here off of a scholarship at a university rather than working for less than minimum wage. Wake up Spartan, the majority of the real world is not the college confidential world.
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<p>Then maybe they should immigrate legally.</p>
<p>I think Heca hit the nail on teh head there.
And Logicus also.</p>
<p>Haven't read the entire thread yet, but I'll throw in my two cents...</p>
<p>Many of the Chinese and Asian parents in this country are first or second generation immigrants that worked very hard to leave their country (for whatever reason) to come to here and start over and give their children opportunities that they would not have in their native country. They work very hard, and try to instill that work ethic into their children because they want them to be successful. In addition to this, the concept of testing is ingrained in many Asian cultures (ie, Chinese civil service examinations dating back to Confucius). Testing/studying for tests has been done for hundreds of years in China. Education is very highly valued, and many (most?) Asian parents are willing to make huge sacrifices for the sake of their children's education, and to a certain degree, expect their children to work hard just as their parents did coming into the country. It is true that most of the immigrants in the group I am describing were relatively successful in their native lands as opposed to refugee-types which I know little about, so I can't speak for them at all.</p>
<p>My parents don't push me too hard; they usually tell me to relax a bit and stop working so hard, but maybe the reasoning behind this is that I have already assimilated the ideals of work ethic that they worked to instill in me.</p>
<p>I have almost no work ethic. I do what I need to (which is very little) and on top of that, only do what interests me.</p>
<p>This is certainly not true at all.</p>
<p>While it is true that many top scorers are asians, it's b/c mostly those who are willing to work hard come to the U.S. Also, it's wrong to generalize that all asians score high on SAT's and other testings; if you've ever been to chinatown/koreatown or whatever and have lots of asian friends at your age, (i'm korean) there are plenty of "normal" people who score low. Asian=high SAT analogy is as false as African-American=basketball star analogy. i know plenty of african americans who can't play basketball..</p>
<p>My school is 15% Asian.
In our upper level Math/Science classes, the classes are usually 40% Asian.</p>
<p>The stereotype really isn't false. Think about colleges. The UC's have more Asians than Whites. The percentage of American Asians in colleges (versus the amount of college age azns totally) is SO much greater than the percentrage of college age people who are all other races (versus the amount of all college age people).</p>
<p>This could be for ANY of the reasons we stated, but, certainly, it isn't false.</p>
<p>Of course Asian Americans work hard, if they didnt they wouldnt be here. Im just refuting this whole Asian superiority complex.</p>
<p>"Then maybe they should immigrate legally."</p>
<p>Id immigrate illegally if it meant feeding my family. There are things called immigration restrictions in this nation.</p>
<p>"Then maybe they should immigrate legally."</p>
<p>not fair to say that considering they are our border country....</p>
<p>with the conditions as they are in some asian countries...if they were closer to the U.S., we would have more illegal asian immigrants.</p>
<p>oppos...it seems to be a hot topic..</p>
<p>For me personally, I am a Chinese. </p>
<p>I think that is due to the traditions here in China. We do have a college entrance exam which is very similar to SAT. However, it is a one-time exam, and the only result of the exam will decide which colleges you will go to. So I just bet all the twelve years' hard study and efforts only for the three days' exam. And surely both parents and teachers always persuade children to study hard. So we guys usually do lots of review books and attend tutorial classes at weekends. Therefore, we are all used to such training and life style. And that's why many chinese students just look like test- machines. There are students in my class often get extremely high score and however, they are poor at EC and sports. Some of my classmates who usually rank No.1 here even dare to speak in front of the whole class!</p>
<p>I would like to add that I truly find work ethic and intelligence to be uncorrelated. My school is 60% indian, 35% chinese, 5% other. On average, I see the indian kids work about 2x harder than any other subgroup. Their focus is completely academic save debate, JSA, and other oral activities. However, our top tier consists of chinese kids, both males and females, which much more modest backgrounds in comparison to the brahmin ancestry of many of my indian peers. I think we do pretty well when our parents were just raising livestock and sowing fields a few decades back.</p>
<p>On Latino Americans,
I am acquainted with quite a few, and I can confidently state that most of the time, their attention is on the immediate future. They are HIGHLY industrious. However, their goals are simply different than ours. Their focus is family support whereas ours is the polar opposite - our family supports us so that we may excel.</p>
<p>keep in mind that the immigrants from asia now are the best the area has to offer. To quote my Chinese friend Sophia: "the smart Chinese come to america, the dumb chinese stay in China." </p>
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<p>i have a big problem with this
i know brilliant ppl who don't come to U.S. but work for the country they love, what do you say about the nuclear father of China? when they are facing a choice, the thing that made a difference is their VALUE not their intelligence.
ok this is a little off topic...hey i agree with the rebellion thing..i am inhihg school, and i am already skipping today...lol....</p>
<p>it's a whole culture difference. Most Asian parents just immigrates to America and just want the best for their kids
_____________up till this part is so true, 3 generation makes a noble, chinese have a big thing for the family</p>
<p>mangosmmm -------i so understand what you are saying. Mandy, here is some money, get out and enjoy yourself....they never have PUSY words upon me, but it is about their pushy ACTIONS, my parents work their butts offf. my childhood was spent without any new toys/new clothes/or even any meat for dinner in several weeks...think about how far they have gone from a pennyless kid to some famous professor...this in chinese is called QIAN YI MO HUA...we are their children, we have the genes, and we carry on the burden, or pride...which turns to the inner energy</p>
<p>I've heard of Korean parents who won't let their daughter marry someone with a degree from a subpar college or has a subpar career.</p>
<p>asian students are more motivated to score higher. period.</p>
<p>I know my parents aren't pushy from my perspective, but there are people who would say they are. Like, they expect straight A's or straight A's + 1 B from me: no less. They were more pushy when I was younger. Now that I'm in high school, I've started really freaking out about grades, so they just let me do my own thing because it's working okay.</p>
<p>edit: I was born in China, and came to the US at age 4. My parents are, of course, immigrants too.</p>
<p>While it is incorrect to assert that asians(as a group) are inherently superior it is equally incorrect to simply cast off the accomplishments of asians(as a group) as "oh well, they work harder, they're not really good or anything."</p>
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