<p>Someone in my high school applied all Ivy league, and didn’t get into a single one. He’s now applying to schools in England.</p>
<p>EDIT: He was one of the top students in my magnet school. Excellent grades, near-perfect SAT scores, pianist, Asian.</p>
<p>Yikes.
Are there any good OOS private safeties that are good in business?</p>
<p>If you want a school with a solid business program, and you like Michigan and Berkeley, definitely look into Wisconsin Madison. It is very similar to Michigan, except a little easier to get into. It should be a decent match for you. Although it is not as prestigous as the other schools you listed, you should be able to convince your mom to let you apply - it is #35 in USNWR. Definitely look into it.</p>
<p>Also Villanova is in Philly, is Catholic, and has solid business school (#12 undergrad b-school in Businessweek-mind you that ranking doesn’t mean crap but your mom doesn’t know that.)</p>
<p>Tried mentioning UW-Madison to her. She claims “there’s nothing to do in Wisconsin.”</p>
<p>Note, the UC’s, by law, can not consider race. If the 3.5 is a weighted GPA, you were correct, you don’t have much of a chance there. Dartmouth’s Tuck school is only a graduate school. </p>
<p>Please do your own research, there is a great deal of misinformation presented as fact on these boards.</p>
<p>Any realistic shot at Georgetown?</p>
<p>I will second the suggestion to go to your counselors and ask them to help you out. And what about your dad? You mom’s friends? Anyone other than you who can give her some info and perspective. Because really, your issue is not schools, it’s expectations.</p>
<p>Forget about weighted GPAs. the higher ranked the school the more there is an expectation that you are taking the most rigerous courses your school offers and you are doing well and you are not going to get any bonus points for doing so. When you get before the admissions committee, they will use your straight unweighted GPA.</p>
<p>Georgetown and Fordham are some of the better known of the 28 Jesuit colleges in the USA. Complete list here:
[Jesuit</a> Colleges and Universities Quiz Results - sporcle](<a href=“http://www.sporcle.com/games/jesuit_colleges_results.php]Jesuit”>http://www.sporcle.com/games/jesuit_colleges_results.php)</p>
<p>^^ don’t worry about where you think you can and can’t get into. worry about what u like. if you want to apply to georgetown do it. let the admins worry about whether or not you get in</p>
<p>your list should have a mix of high reaches, reaches, high matches, realistic matches and safeties. The hardest part for you will beto find the type of safeties that you will absolutely love to attend and that will be acceptable to your mom. If finances are not an issue, perhaps you could identify a respectable private college counselor in your area and engage him/her. They would be a great buffer between you and your mom, as well as provide a great service and expertise, and of course they would be the ones emphasizing the need for safeties, taking you out of the argument.</p>
<p>If you want business; look at the AACSB website for accredited business school. They offer accreditation in general business and also accounting. Show Mom that list.
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<p>As hmom5 says, you are receiving a great deal of misinformation here, particularly about the UCs. You have excellent instincts, talk to your counselor and have them help you assemble a list that includes safeties.</p>
<p>UCB and UCLA are not safeties for you.</p>
<p>They each have approx. 50,000 freshman applicants you will be competing against.</p>
<p>The average GPA for accepted students at UCB and UCLA is OVER 4.0. Only about 3% of students in your GPA range were admitted.</p>
<p>They CANNOT, by law, consider URM status. PLEASE be sure your mother knows that Proposition 209, passed in 1996, bars the UCs from considering race in admissions decisions. [CA</a> Secretary of State - Vote96 - Analysis of Proposition 209](<a href=“http://vote96.sos.ca.gov/Vote96/html/BP/209analysis.htm]CA”>http://vote96.sos.ca.gov/Vote96/html/BP/209analysis.htm)</p>
<p>Berkeley: [University</a> of California - Admissions](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucb.html]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucb.html) <a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/pdf/ucb_chart.pdf[/url]”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/pdf/ucb_chart.pdf</a>
UCLA: [University</a> of California - Admissions](<a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucla.html]University”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/selecting/camp_profiles/camp_profiles_ucla.html) <a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/pdf/ucla_chart.pdf[/url]”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/pdf/ucla_chart.pdf</a></p>
<p>I really think you have a better chance of admittance to Midwestern and East Coast private schools such as Northwestern, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WUSTL, and Wake Forest than the UCs. I know the UCs are EXTREMELY competitive for in-state students. The Ivy League is also a huge reach for you too. </p>
<p>Would you consider LACs such as Oberlin, Kenyon, Seven Sister Schools (I don’t know your gender), and maybe Middlebury or Wesleyan? Also consider Wisconsin, Michigan, and Texas. You don’t necessarily have to major in business at the undergrad level (an economics or related major will work, especially if you are aiming for an MBA).</p>
<p>Also consider California LACS Pomona and Claremount McKenna.</p>
<p>If you are in CA, and your school normally sends lots of kids to UC schools, your counselors, at the very least, should know how kids with your scores and grades have done with admissions to UCLA and UC Berkeley. That way you will have some idea of your chances there.</p>
<p>A early post on this thread suggested applying to ED/rolling admisisons schools. If Penn is your first choice (as well as your mom’s) you should apply ED. Maybe I missed the post where you indicated if you needed financial aid or not. ED is tricky is you need financial aid, but if the financial package isn’t satisfactory, it’s one of the few reasons you can use to “opt out” of an ED school. I actually loathe this strategy, but you have a unique situation with your mother…</p>
<p>USC doesn’t have EA,ED or rolling…so applying there early won’t help much.</p>
<p>Have additional applications “ready to go” by December 1. That way, if you don’t get into Penn, your mother may be open to a few more options…</p>
<p>Since you want to study business, many of the LAC’s mentioned might not be a great option for you…but…a school like Boston College, and some of the other east coast Jesuit schools, have very good undergraduate business schools, D1 sports, and would likely find you a very attractive candidate (URM and geographic diversity.)</p>
<p>Many people on this thread have had excellent suggestions for you about your mother’s opinions and I second the idea of (i) speaking with your counselor and seeing if you can set up an appointment with you, your mother and your counselor, (ii) showing your mother some of the posts from CC (but I wouldn’t show her your posts or this thread to be honest) about the randomness of admissions or (iii) trying to find a third party whose opinion your mother would value to speak with her about college admissions. </p>
<p>In terms of admissions strategies, I would suggest that you try the following:</p>
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<li><p>Apply as early as possible to a few state schools with rolling admissions so that you can get a sense of how public schools work out for you. I would suggest University of Michigan and possibly University of Washington, University of Pittsburgh and/or University of Minnesota–the last three are in locations with lots to do, so hopefully your mother won’t feel there’s nothing to do. </p></li>
<li><p>Apply to 1-3 Early Action schools. Choose from among Boston College, Georgetown and Case Western Reserve. All three are in cities and have strong academics and good reputations and hopefully, your mother would approve of at least one or two of them (and if she agreed, you could apply to all three). Case Western has a free application if you apply on line. Be careful about Georgetown, however. I believe it requires three SAT II tests, so you would have to take them if you haven’t already done so (although the requirement might be waived for EA applicants, you should call up the school to discuss this).</p></li>
<li><p>By the middle-end of Dec., you should know whether you’ve gotten into any/all of these schools. Then you can decide whether you need to apply to safer schools or just a few additional schools–i.e., UPenn and USC. </p></li>
<li><p>Speak to your mother about finances. If you are under a certain income, you would be better off from a financial standpoint applying to need blind schools. If you feel that you will need merit scholarships, you might have to cast a broader net and apply to schools that are lower ranked than the ones you are considering. Show your mother that you are trying to keep costs down. Ask your counselor if you would qualify for fee waivers. Check this site for a list of colleges with free applications, [Free</a> College Applications](<a href=“http://www.porcelina.net/freeapps/general.html]Free”>Free College Applications) Call up colleges that you are going to apply to and ask whether they have a procedure for waiving the application fee. See whether any of the colleges you are interested in pay for travel costs for visits for minority students. Consider becoming a Ventures Scholar, [url=<a href=“Buruan Daftar! Situs Slot Gacor Terpercaya Dengan Bonus Menggiurkan”>Buruan Daftar! Situs Slot Gacor Terpercaya Dengan Bonus Menggiurkan]Ventures</a> Scholars Program | Student Membership<a href=“you%20need%20to%20have%20an%20interest%20in%20math%20or%20science,%20but%20it’s%20a%20pretty%20easy%20application”>/url</a>. As a scholar, you might get some invitations for free visits and also there are several schools which would give you a fee waiver.</p></li>
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<p>I think your Mom is right here. Your safeties should be Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UT Austin, etc. Even if you don’t get into any of them, you’ll be able to go to a community college and transfer to those schools. Many state flagship universities have nice scholarships and admissions agreements with community colleges. </p>
<p>Note that I don’t think that will happen. You’ll probably get into at least one state flagship. And if it does happen, you’ll save thousands of dollars and two years of your life.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that al6200 thinks that only the “top schools” are worth going to and has expressed in other threads that anything that is “public” is inherently over-rated, so please consider other people when deciding on safeties. You can also transfer into the top UC’s from regular colleges… Some community colleges offer strong courses that are good preparation for a four-year institution, but many of them are sub-par, so even if you can transfer your putting yourself at an academic disadvantage to your peers unless you went to one of the stronger community colleges that actually have some course rigor. You can go many places in life from schools other than the “top” schools. For example, U. Wisconsin is tied with Harvard for the number of graduates in top CEO positions, and a majority of top CEO’s are graduates of public schools. You should focus on finding a school that is a good fit and allows you to excel, not simply the most prestigious school. Keep in mind that large publics also have large alumni networks and connections.</p>
<p>As for your mom:</p>
<p>As has already been pointed out even people who apply and get into Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc… apply to their state schools as safeties; let your mom know this. It doesn’t hurt you to apply to safeties as you can always choose not to go if you get into better schools. No one is guaranteed admission to top colleges and with a 3.4 GPA, weighted or not, your chances are really hurt at many of the schools your mom has listed simply because they have so many other applicants that have everything you have to offer and a higher GPA/higher other stats. Starting a non-profit is a nice hook, and your ACT is fairly strong, but your choice to forego taking your school’s toughest curriculum also hurts your chances at top schools.</p>
<p>I would also be hesitant for you even to consider UT-Austin a safety. With your stats and as a OOS applicant your chances of admission are iffy at best. I would say the same of places like Michigan, etc, but especially of UT, which has to take, by law, all of Texas top 10% applicants which leaves little room for OOS people. Because of this, UT is not a safety school for you.</p>
<p>Many of the other schools listed hear (Georgtown, WashU, Pomona, Calremont, Notre Dame, etc) are fairly significant reaches for you. You can apply to places that that if those are schools that interest you, but they are not matches. It was stated above that you can apply to all the UC’s with one application so I would apply to all UC’s that interest you and at least one of the less competitive ones as a safety. Unlike others, I do not think UCLA is a high match for you, it is likely a reach. </p>
<p>Your mother is living in lala land and you should not let her ignorance prevent you from applying to schools you like and that are good fits for you. It is perfectly acceptable to apply to some reach schools, and if you like apply to Penn ED, but do not sell yourself short by only applying to schools that are likely not to admit you. Your minority status will not help you at the UC’s. It may help you at some private schools depending on the stats of other URMs that year, but it isn’t going to hugely sway things in your favor. Show your mom the admissions statistics others have posted here. She is wrong, and maybe seeing the actual numbers will wake her up.</p>
<p>I would also make sure you put time into creating strong and interesting essays. Sometimes an really unique essay can outweigh many other deficiencies, such as GPA. The essay is a tool that can really help you if you do well, do nothing for you if you do mediocre, and harm you greatly if you screw it up. This is especially true at more competitive schools.</p>
<p>You need to get your mom to see reality or find a way to apply to safeties anyway. This is your college search and your life. Listen to your mom and give thought to her suggestions, but the ultimate decision is yours. Getting you school counselor involved may help.</p>
<p>If you want to go the community college route, I heard that Santa Monica College is an excellent feeder to the top UCs.</p>
<p>Mention a backup earlier on this thread… also may want to look more into UC-Boulder ( as I will). I found out about half of their freshmens are from OOS, which will not harm OOS chances ( if you need a respected backup school), plus it’s in Boulder.</p>