Christian College Teaches Dorm 'Sex Etiquette' During Freshmen Orientation

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<p>Christian College Teaches Dorm 'Sex Etiquette' During Freshmen Orientation</p>

<p>By Kathleen Gilbert</p>

<p>ST. PETER, Minnesota, October 8, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - An Evangelical Lutheran liberal arts college in Minnesota has raised eyebrows after videos were published exposing the school's sexually-explicit freshman orientation, which includes lessons on dorm “sex etiquette” and some of the finer points of sexual perversion.</p>

<p>Portions of freshman orientation presentations this fall at Gustavus Adolphus College, which is associated with the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA), were caught on video and posted by Gustavus student Phil Cleary on the Gustavus.campusreform.org website. The videos show an unsettling lineup of performances, which include two students mock-simulating sex during a lesson on how to "warn" roommates that you’re having sex in the dorm, and others extolling homosexuality and even pansexuality.</p>

<p>(Warning: graphic content.)</p>

<p>"Pansexual means we just love one another! Man or woman, male or female, doesn't matter, my brother," says one performer.</p>

<p>"I've never been happier. Every day, from when I wake up until I go to sleep at night, my soul is brimming with joy. My partner's name is Logan, and he and I have been together for six months and 21 days," says one male student. "We're in love. And Logan, I'd gladly spend the rest of my life with you."</p>

<p>One female student discusses the appeal of being lesbian. "I like sex. No, I love sex, and you do too," she says. "I'm normal, right?"</p>

<p>In another portion of the demonstration, students came out on stage dressed up as "characters" representing such things as masturbation, Internet pornography use, birth control and condoms and with such names including Right Hand Rick, Debbie Dildo, and Birth Control Betty. </p>

<p>Another skit explains the difference among various forms of aberrant sexuality, labeled "LGPBBTTQ&A."</p>

<p>On its website, Gustavus calls itself "a community where a mature understanding of the Christian faith and lives of service are nurtured and students are encouraged to work toward a just and peaceful world."</p>

<p>Cleary quoted Lutheran Pastor Rebecca Heber on the Campus Majority Blog calling the videos "graphic and, in my opinion, vulgar, appalling, disturbing, tasteless, degrading, and completely unbefitting the sacred trust given to a Christian college and an institution of the ELCA."</p>

<p>Matt Thomas, Gustavus College media relations director, told LifeSiteNews.com that he would direct a request for comment to college president Jack Ohle, but said he would likely decline. </p>

<p>"The types of organizations are covering this story - I just don't think we're going to help ourselves by commenting," said Thomas. World Net Daily had also sought comment from the college.</p>

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<p>FYI, D visited Gustavus (it is near our home), and younger D and I have attended family sports camps there. I would not consider them “evangelical” in the usual sense of the word, even though it is in the ECLA name. It is clearly a Lutheran oriented school, but I know kids who go their from my Ds’ high school who are not religous and do not feel very out of place. In fact, when I think about the kids who have gone there, I am sure some were having sex before they got there and while they were there! So these videos won’t be covering new territory for them.</p>

<p>The ECLA recently decided to open their ministry to partnered gay Lutherans. So it isn’t too surprising that the video acknowledges the existence of gay relationships.</p>

<p>I just re-read this article carefully, and don’t really see any info in here that would shock most college students. And a lot of it seems dead useful (condom use, for example). Seems like this website is trying to sensationalize something that it makes sense to talk to students about.</p>

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<p>I’m glad they cover stuff like that at orientation- my kids never told me what they did at their schools.</p>

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<p>( lifesitenews)Sounds like the same group that thinks yoga is a tool of satan. :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>Good for them. Maybe it will catch on at all schools.</p>

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<p>Im wondering why Phil Cleary chose to attend a college where he feels so put upon.
Could it be he is just waiting till he is ready to come out?</p>

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<p>Has anyone watched the video?</p>

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<p>It must be difficult to be in charge of orientation at a church-affiliated college. </p>

<p>Students need the kind of information that is distributed in such sessions, and the skit format that’s described here seems to be memorable enough so that some content would stick in busy new freshmen’s minds, but the students’ need for information may conflict with the religious group’s standards for sexual behavior.</p>

<p>It sounds to me as though Gustavus Adolphus did a pretty good job here, even though some of those in charge must have been cringing during the presentation.</p>

<p>I do think, though, that a minority group is being discriminated against. Shouldn’t there be equal time for Left Hand Larry?</p>

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<p>Are all of you drinking the cool aid? I will not be spending any of my tuition dollars at this school. Teaching safe sex is one thing - jumping on the PC band-wagon of normalizing homosexuality is another. I guess that’s why they are called “liberal” arts schools.</p>

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<p>rumanadting, not so familiar with schools the size of UM-Ann Arbor, are you?:rolleyes:
LACs, are not the only schools where where human rights are valued.
[College</a> Freshmen Approve of Gay Marriage More Strongly Than Do All Americans - Students - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/College-Freshmen-Approve-of/64685/]College”>http://chronicle.com/article/College-Freshmen-Approve-of/64685/)</p>

<p>[Gay</a> College Student Breaks Silence Over Bullying From Michigan Assistant Attorney General | Gay Rights | Change.org](<a href=“The World’s Platform for Change · Change.org”>The World’s Platform for Change · Change.org)</p>

<p>[MI</a> Attorney General: Fire anti-gay cyber-bully Andrew Shirvell - Sign the Petition | Change.org](<a href=“http://www.change.org/petitions/view/mi_attorney_general_fire_anti-gay_cyber-bully_andrew_shirvell]MI”>http://www.change.org/petitions/view/mi_attorney_general_fire_anti-gay_cyber-bully_andrew_shirvell)</p>

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And why should you? There are certainly other schools that wouldn’t provide this information, and you can spend your money there. Hopefully, you won’t have to spend additional money on prenatal care, counseling, STD treatment, etc.</p>

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<p>There are definitely many more conservative schools in the US that Gustavus. Feel free to spend your tuition dollars there. And in case you have missed the message, rumandting, homosexuality IS normal for a signficant portion of our population. One of my children is gay, and that is my kid’s “normal”. It isn’t a choice or an option, it is a fact.</p>

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<p>If the religious norm is that the only acceptable sex is heterosexual sex in the context of marriage, is “normalizing” premarital sex by teaching safe sex any more out of place than “normalizing” homosexuality?</p>

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<p>I said that I am in favor of safe sex education. I have also taught my children myself about birth conrol, std’s, etc. What I am tired of is the constant politically correct push for the normalization of homosexuality. I am not homophobic. I do not believe people choose to be homosexual. Some kids at our high school got suspended last year for wearing “straight pride” t-shirts. Would that have happened if they wore “gay pride” t-shirts. I think not.
And yes, I am very aware that UM is a very liberal school. It was chosen for it’s engineering program.</p>

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<p>“Normalization” of homosexuality is not the phrase I’m really looking for. It’s the constant shoving it down our throats that gets to me. If sex is between 2 consenting adults it’s really no one else’s business. The constant lessons, lectures, videos, marches, etc. are not necessary. College students get it already.</p>

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<p>This is so sad to see at a “Christian” school. It did not give these kids any knowledge that they don’t already get in the media, it just made light of a serious subject for some crude entertainment. They could have just as well shown some SNL skits.</p>

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<p>One of my strongest wishes for my child is to find partners to date and have relationships with in college. Our high school is small, so there really aren’t many (maybe any) opportunities opportunities there. I think it is great for a college to acknowledge potential relationships for people like my kid as well as for people like you. If you want to feel that something is “shoved down your throat”, try being gay for a week and see what you think then; gay people live that 24/7 in our majority heterosexual society. And I think there is nothing wrong with a dose of sex ed for new college students; high schools have widely varying programs, and some freshman are likely better educated on the subject than others.</p>

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<p>I cannot believe I’m about to jump in this fray…</p>

<p>Both of my kids are straight and most of the gays that I have had the opportunity to get to know over the past 10 years are members of our church. Long ago, I felt that alternative lifestyles were being shoved down my throat and thrown in the faces of our children. I felt that way out of fear- of the unknown.</p>

<p>Because I have had the chance to know what I questioned, I know longer fear it and I understand the need to acknowledge the “normalcy” of it. My inability to eloquently express this is frustrating.</p>

<p>My kids have friends that are gay. It breaks my heart that they would feel anything other than support for being “different”. I do think the next generation is far more open to differences, but there is a long way to go.</p>

<p>Of course sitting in on any conversation about college students having sex would make me squirm a bit! But if the “in your face” talk helps, assists in decision making - I’m willing to squirm.</p>

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I’m right there with ya. ;)</p>