Class of 2014: WAITLISTED

<p>Dadwhocares, you posted exactly what i was going to! I really think that Wash U looks for students who will be a good fit with the campus culture – which seems to come from students who are friendly, non-competitive, involved, and have the requisite smarts to succeed. You constantly read about the “midwestern niceness” at WashU and I’m sure that’s a value they work hard to preserve. I bet they just have a good nose for smelling out who would not be as good a fit, and lo and behold, this may include some top applicants! </p>

<p>Anyway, there are scores of schools whose reject and waitlist piles are littered with students who can be view as “more qualified” than some of those who got in. As has been said ad nauseum, the schools can’t take everyone and they really are trying to build a class, not just accept the most number of highest achieving students. It may also be a recognition that adolescents are still developing, and they may see a bright future in those who maybe weren’t as driven in high school!!</p>

<p>motion: interestingly, from our NJ public, not one val has been admitted to Wash U in the last four years; with demonstrated interest…all ended up at Ivy</p>

<p>drought: that is extremely common around here…add to that, Wash U admits the kids who HAVE NOT demonstrated interest and waitlists those that have…</p>

<p>the process has never made any sense; we have always had more predictable responses from Harvard, Yale and Stanford…</p>

<p>It is bizarre. From our high school, the Naviance is all green for those with certain stats; all rejects and waitlists are below them. We don’t get a huge number of students applying, though, and at least one student has enrolled all or most years. At our school, the Ivies cherry pick their way through the pile, but they get so many applicants. There is nothing predictable about the Ivies for us!</p>

<p>WashU is completely unpredictable. Case closed.</p>

<p>Personally I’d rather have my son go to a school that wants him and that he feels will be a good fit.</p>

<p>For us with the WL and the lack of scholarship money even if he gets in, that is not going to be WashU.</p>

<p>Thought I would post the following concerning WL in an attempt to clarify the situation.</p>

<p>First keep in mind that most of your top schools are “self selecting” when it comes to applications. That means that the most of the students that apply are at the top of the application class. Meaning that if there were sufficient spaces available in the freshman class most would be accepted and would be more than capable of being successful. Unfortunately that is not a real life scenario since there are far more applications than spaces available. That leaves admissions with the very difficult task of constructing a freshman class that will yield the desired number of students.</p>

<p>Schools attempt to construct a mosaic that reflects the personality and feel of the school and campus. To do this admissions attempts to find the right pieces for their particular situation. In order to accomplish this every possible variable is considered. Individual stats (GPA and standardized tests) are just a beginning. To get a real feel one must consider essays, recommendations, ECs, geographical and ethnic distribution, interviews and any other information available. Then add in early admission, scholarship recipients and a host of other variables. Then calculate conversion (how many will accept the offer of admission) and you have the number that can be admitted. </p>

<p>At the first “cut”, there is a small percentage of obvious admits and obvious rejects. After that it becomes a lot more difficult. In effect the majority are truly students that the school would like as students. Once again, unfortunately it becomes a numbers game. A school has only limited spots available – so now it is up to admissions to put together the proper mosaic to complete the class. Also remember that every school has a different feel and personality. Thus every mosaic is different and looks for different pieces. So, just because a person did not receive an acceptance does not reflect poorly on them. It just means that at decision time, it was felt that someone else was a better fit in that particular situation. That same person could be a better fit in another situation.</p>

<p>So now that someone is offered a place on WL what is the situation?
First if you accept a place on WL, you are under no obligation to attend if offered admission in the future. In fact if a better or equally enticing situation is offered by another school, my recommendation would be to accept it and forward a deposit. If offered future admission by the first school, then you have to make another decision. Stay with the second school, or accept the new offer and lose your deposit.</p>

<p>If you accept a place on the WL then do so if school #1 is truly the place you want to be. Take another look at your application and previously submitted materials. Identify area that could be improved and figure out how they could be enhanced. Contact your admissions representative (that person is your chief advocate) and let them know of your interest along with forwarding any additional info. Do this in a reasonable manner without becoming an annoying stalker.</p>

<p>Somewhere about the middle to the end of April, the school will begin receiving deposits from accepted students. Historical conversion rates (date sensitive) will be looked at to see how this year is faring compared to previous years. If the conversion rates are higher than past years, the offers from the WL will not be made till later. If the rates are lower or similar to past years, then you will see the first round of offer made before the end of April. Offers will be made to come as close as possible to the desired personality of the new freshman class. Candidates are not ranked but will be re-examined from the WL. Once again it will be about best fit, which are not always the highest stats.</p>

<p>Subsequent rounds of offers will be made depending on acceptance and any attrition that may take place. Every school must always consider “summer melt”, or people that sent in deposits and end up not attending. Once again historical stats are used to project these numbers.</p>

<p>I hope this clears up some questions. Unfortunately, every year there is an avalanche of bitter posts after decisions are announced. I hope that people understand and accept these for what they are. Most applicants to top schools have been the best at what they do. As a result being offered a position on a WL is a major disappointment. This is not a reflection on their achievements, because the school probably would have liked to have them as students. Unfortunately there just are not enough spots to accommodate everyone, so admissions did the best they could to achieve what they felt was the desired mosaic for the new class. Best of luck to everyone and I am sure you will see that it will all work out in the end.</p>

<p>@SDonCC,</p>

<p>"It may also be a recognition that adolescents are still developing … "</p>

<p>I was told by an admissions administrator at a well known U that my 2200 on the SAT at age 14, would be interpreted the same as a 2400 for an 18 year old, … I found that interesting and might explain my luck so far.</p>

<p>ST2
thanks that was very helpful</p>

<p>By reading this thread, I can tell Wash U accepted students with SAT 2050 but not with 2350. If Wash U waitlisted overqualified students, it would remain as 2nd class university forever. It is also very hard for a student to find a sincere interest in a particular univeristy and show in different ways no matter what school it is incluing Harvard. I believe all overqualifed waitlisted students will enter Ivy colleges or at least better schools than Wash U. I do not favor Wash U anymore.</p>

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<li><p>At this level, the SAT scores are not the deciding factor. Once you pass a certain threshold, the schools are looking for other qualities in an individual, as well as a good balance for the whole incoming class. 1500 test-taking experts make a boring class.</p></li>
<li><p>Don’t draw statistical conclusions from CC postings. People who think they have been wronged are natually the loudest. People who got in are too busy chatting on the Facebook admit group to post their stats one more time.</p></li>
<li><p>For those who must dwell on SAT scores, the historical data are very easy to find, and completely destroy the conpiracy theory. The most telling is the 25th percentile number, which can be seen as the minimum score for a reasonable chance of admission. Only four schools (HYP and Caltech) have a higher score than WashU (which ties with MIT). How can one still claim that WashU systematically denies high scorers and admits low scorers? Let’s face it, WashU doesn’t like your essays. Don’t feel bad. Some other top schools may like them. Move on already!</p></li>
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<p>I don’t think overqualified means that one is overqualified only in terms of test scores. </p>

<p>There’s one kid that got waitlisted with a 4.0, 6 5’s on AP tests, 1 4 on an AP test, 2400 SAT I, 3 SAT II 800’s, 2X USABO Semifinalist, Intel Semifinalist, NMF, legacy, Editor-In-Chief of his school publication. While I disagree with the notion that Wash U waitlists applicants that ‘overqualified,’ I don’t see how some of the accepted students were deemed as being better than the aforementioned students.</p>

<p>This is the US…test scores and grades arent everything. You need to write good essay. If you think that you deserve to get into a good school just because you have good test scores and HS GPA, then you should have applied to Oxford and Cambridge. They will love you guys.</p>

<p>They may have a low yield and move people off of waitlist. Feel like we are victims of a bait and switch. They solicit secondary schools for nominations of a top student with offers of merit aid. Went through the whole process and he got $0. Didn’t expect a full ride, but thought he would get something, he is extremely strong. So they now have his strong stats to add to their numbers for applicant pool, but he is not attending. Had we realized they were not sincere, he wouldn’t have wasted his time. Left us with a bad feeling about this school. Good luck to all! PS A hundred years ago I went to my safety, not even admitted until May, and never regretted it. You’ll all be fine.</p>

<p>Does anyone know how they notify you at the end of the ‘waitlist’ time - June 30th? Do you get an email from them for closure one way or the other? It is a long time to wait and wonder.</p>

<p>I’d really like to go to Wash U but, if necessary, can stay where I am for another year (have 37 hrs university level work completed from 3 APs & taking university level my senior year). So, I could do another term in the fall, enjoy study abroad in the spring, and try a transfer.</p>

<p>Seems like that might make more sense than dropping to a school I don’t want to attend.</p>

<p>^^Wow, bait and switch? It’s a competition and people do win. It would be bait n’ switch if either nobody won, or only those qualified for full-ride need-aid won. Otherwise, I don’t see it.</p>

<p>caolila - did you read my rather long post (#126) above? In answer to your question, people offered a position from the WL will receive a phone call with the offer.</p>

<p>@JJParent,</p>

<p>I just don’t understand the sense of entitlement displayed in so many of the posts on this thread … It’s like they just don’t fully comprehend the intense level of competition for these admit slots in the top schools. I’m still waiting on H,P&JH, … I THINK I am qualified, but if I’m not admitted … I UNDERSTAND … I will deal …</p>

<p>Son hasn’t decided if he’ll accept the waitlist or not. He was just accepted to the Naval Academy, (had 2 ROTC full ride scholarships for WashU)…he’ll need a back up plan to USNA incase of injury this summer, but I don’t think it will be WashU. He’s been accepted to UCLA and other schools…and waiting for 4 more.</p>

<p>ST2 - yes thank you. Fom what you are saying is that anyone on the waitlist who is NOT contacted by phone (with a positive result) will then wait unil June 30th for an email saying they were not selected. That is implied, but not stated.</p>

<p>Such a notice is sent out when the new freshman class is full and there are no more spaces available to be offered. It may be before or after June 30, depending on the number of people that send in deposits.</p>