Class sizes at Harvard

<p>Hello,</p>

<p>I'm a UK student currently in the process of applying to a few US colleges.</p>

<p>I have a questions about class sizes and contact time. My main concentration interests are Economics, Politics and Philosophy (I'm appplying for PPE in the UK) and I'm concerned that, particularly for Econ, I'll only be in large classes/lectures all of the time, with no chance of tutorials.</p>

<p>Wil this be the case? Or, aside from lectures are there always corresponding tutorials, regardless of subject?</p>

<p>Thank you very much.</p>

<p>Most intro (and even more advanced) econ classes will be large lectures. However, for each large lecture class, there will be a section with about 20 or so students that meets with a grad student (teaching fellow) to go over the material covered in the lecture etc. In addition, if you choose to major in econ (or any subject for that matter), you will have tutorials individually or in a small group with an advisor starting sophomore year.</p>

<p>Thank you kd5qdf. So there’s still the opportunity of more contact time in later years and there are always smaller classes to complement any lecuture!</p>

<p>In American universities, there are essentially five ways courses are set up, although the terminology isn’t always the same.</p>

<p>Some courses, usually basic courses with huge registrations, are taught entirely or almost entirely in small sections (“small” meaning ~20), usually by graduate students. A single course may have 15-20 such sections, all covering the same material at the same time, but the entire course may never meet as a group, or may meet for only one or two lectures. This applies to something like basic math courses.</p>

<p>Large lecture courses are taught as described above. There will usually be 2-3 lectures a week, by a single full faculty member (with occasional guests), and then one additional meeting per week in regular small groups with a graduate student teaching fellow to discuss the lecture material, answer questions, review homework, etc. Required introductory and intermediate courses in most fields are taught this way.</p>

<p>Small lecture courses – for courses with fewer than 50 students, usually there are no discussion sections. There is usually still at least one teaching fellow associated with the class to whom you can go for help (and who will be grading your assignments), but class itself will involve a fair amount of back-and-forth with the professor.</p>

<p>Seminars – 15-20 students or fewer, sitting around a table with a single teacher (who may sometimes be an advanced graduate student). Supposedly lots of discussion, but sometimes indistiguishable from a small lecture except for the seating arrangements. Also, seminars rarely have exams or problem sets, and are generally graded based on significant individual papers done by the students.</p>

<p>Tutorials – Most departments have some structure for one-on-one tutorials for upperclassmen, although this can vary from department to department and university to university. This can be directed reading on a topic of interest to the student, where the student recruits a faculty member to supervise him and to read/grade whatever work product he produces. It is often a “senior essay” option or requirement where a senior does independent work over the course of an academic year and produces a significant paper under the supervision of a specific faculty member in his department. But neither of these usually involves the amount of contact one would have with one’s tutor at Oxbridge.</p>

<p>Most freshmen have most of their courses as the first two types, although most universities try to make certain their freshmen have at least one seminar per term. By one’s third year, the reason to take a large lecture course would be because it is really interesting and entertaining. At a place like Harvard, the largest courses will be those where the subject matter is of general interest and the professor known to be an excellent performer in front of large crowds.</p>

<p>Thank you JHS!</p>

<p>I think that clears that up!</p>

<p>Both my daughters at Harvard had one course their freshman years that had hundreds and broke out in smaller sections. All their other courses had no more than 22. Their seminars had 12. Both got to know profs on a personal basis as freshmen and got to work with them outside of class.</p>

<p>Thanks for this info, gadad.</p>

<p>It’s good that you still get that personal touch even though you will have large lectures.</p>

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<p>This is probably true of large public universities, but at Harvard, as far as I know, a class that has more than 28 students may have a TF (Teaching Fellow, the Harvard name for a graduate Teaching Assistant). Sections used to be capped at 18, but with the current financial crisis, there was some decision to let the number of students enrolled in a section “float.” I take that to mean that sections will now be allowed to have up to 20 students.
The economics department decided to drop tutorials for lack of adequate teaching staff (Econ profs seem to teach fewer classes than profs in other departments). But in other departments, tutorials (usually open to sophomores and juniors) have 5-8 students at the maximum. S was in a tutorial that was capped at 4. He also took an independent reading course that had 2 students, a freshman seminar that had 11, Expos (capped at 15), and a few regular but advanced lecture classes that had around 10 students.</p>

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So are you saying that if a student chose to concetrate in Econ at Harvard, they wouldn’t get any tutorials?</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>Econ is one of the worst concentrations at Harvard if you’d like small classes and 1:1 interaction with professors. If you’re interested in PPE, I’d suggest looking into Social Studies. It’s more rigorous, is known for great seminars, and quality advising.</p>

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<p>Ahh…I thought social studies encompassed all the social sciences…as in, for the Harvard Supplement, for the question which field do I think I’m going to concentrate in, I put Social Studies, having Econ/Government in mind…is this correct?</p>

<p>I’ve heard that Econ is the most popular concentration at Harvard and this concerned me. Anyway, I don’t think I should worry about it too much. I’ll see which uni offers I get first and then decide from there.</p>

<p>Thank you very much just<em>forget</em>me!</p>