<p>If when you read these acceptances on the "acceptances" thread and are hurt by them I suggest you don't read them.</p>
<p>I think the adults are getting out of hand here. Us kids can take it from here thank you.</p>
<p>I can't agree with you more with regard to this being a difficult medium. One of the beauties of spoken speech, vs. written speech is the emotion shown with it. Words are just that....words. For example, earlier up, I wrote that as a music teacher I "had" to teach a child that was more talented than my own. It was taken by a posted to mean I HAD to teach that child, with a very negative connotation. It was not meant that way. Yet, that is the way the poster took it. Had we been in a room or on a telephone, the emphasis would not have been on the word "HAD"; therefore, the entire message would have been different.</p>
<p>God bless again. These are definitely emotional times, both good and bad. Like I posted earlier, my dd wasn't accepted into BFA, but into BA and BM in Music Performance. This is very emotional because there is a lot to be said for both programs. </p>
<p>Too much emotion and too little understanding has dominated this forum today.</p>
<p>I too am a new member here and searching for information for my child for the future. I truly love this forum - I've gleaned so much information from all you wonderful, generous moms, dads and students. I find myself rooting for the acceptances and feeling so sorrowful about the rejections and all I know about you is a screen name! Your hearts come shining through your typed words and I'd like to thank you for all the sharing!</p>
<p>Beeze - You are a fine young lady/human being...We should all be lucky enough to know someone as insightful as you. Best of luck in college. (You remind me of a dear, young poster named Shauna whom we've all fallen in love with over the past year and a half.)</p>
<p>some moms on this thread need to grow up. the only simple request that has been made was to consider the pain of rejection by some kids while expressing your joy. that is, not to express joy, or not that all, and i mean all, of us don't share that joy. that's why we read this thread to see what's happending and who's getting in where. some of you people have twisted words and just gone nuts with a few innocent comments....to the point of just being mean. can there be just a little maturity. many of the kids who got several acceptions also got rejections to schools they really wanted. i'm sure on that day, it was hard for them to read the threads. we all can read these threads and comment as much as we want. my goodness, can we not have feelings. i thought this entire forum was for us all to share feelings. but, it seems if you ever disagree with anyone on here, you just get blasted. i have a feeling if we were all sitting in a room together, the conversation would be a little more civil. i expect this kind of reaction from kids, but the moms on here (and i refer only to a couple) need to get a grip and show a little maturity.</p>
<p>Are there people out there who have not heard from NYU yet? We
haven't, so I don't know if that is a bad sign or not. Seems like admittances have come first, then rejections. Any feedback?</p>
<p>Newmtmom :
I met a dear friend for lunch today. She is a published playwright, director, acting coach and single mom of two who is currently earning a living teaching English and Drama to middle schoolers. I was pouring out my heart to her about all the heartache involved in this process; how much competition there is for so few spots, and how many hopefuls just won't get into a program. She said something very,very wise. I will try my best to paraphrase:</p>
<p>"Don't feel too upset for these youngsters. Some of the "stars who get into the programs right now will work a bit upon graduation, then fade away. Some brilliantly talented kids will slug it out for awhile, get work here and there but will need to supplement their income doing other things. Some just won't have the resilience to deal with road tours, rejections, dry spells and a lack of stable family life or income. Only a slim majority will "make it" to the level of a full-time working actor. So what happens to the others who don't get into programs? Some of them will become wonderful directors, talented playwrights, busy stage managers, powerful agents, dramaturges, screenwriters, major producers, publicists or entertainment lawyers. Some will have an amazing impact as teachers of theatre or acting or poetry. They will excel at what they are meant to do".</p>
<p>So--even though this is a sensitive time for parents and kids, please try to remember that the theatre world, although seemingly unkind has ROOM for many artists with a myriad of talents. Don't give up hope.</p>
<p>BTW, Betty Buckley and Hugh Jackman (HUGE Broadway Stars) were journalism majors in college. So was Denzell Washington. 'Nuff Said. </p>
<p>For Midgetmom and all other hopefuls:
There are millions of Cinderella success stories in the entertainment world. Perfect example--Two-time Oscar winner Hilary Swank. According to her bio, Hilary and her mom spent years living in a trailer park. During an even leaner period, they had to resort to living OUT OF THEIR CAR!! No joke--this is true. Here's a tiny list of huge names (in & out of showbiz) that came from extremely humble (practically destitute beginnings):</p>
<p>Jewel
Jennifer Lopez
Brittney Spears
JK Rowling
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Jim Carrey<br>
Barbra Streisand
Bill Clinton</p>
<p>Keep Dreaming, Go forth and go forward. College is NOT the be-all and end-all. It is only a small part of the journey.</p>
<p>Newmtmom - I've heard more about the MT at Drake than about American University and have visited Drake's web site more than once. We seriously considered visiting Drake but so far haven't made it up that way. Look at its ranking in USNews&WW college guide. It seems like I remember it being 4th in its category (midwest region masters programs). I was impressed! If I remember right, schools we read much about are lower in the same category - I think BW at 10 and Webster at 25. Forgive me in advance if I'm remembering wrong. Tell your daughter congrat's!</p>
<p>Well, to get back to the topic a little more here's my list of acceptances and rejections. I will post rejections just because I know most of you out there have heard your share of rejections too... we're all in the same boat here!</p>
<p>Accepted: Boston Conservatory and Point Park University</p>
<p>Rejected: Otterbein, CCM, CMU, UArts</p>
<p>still pending is UMich which would be a blessing from God if I got in but hey, I'm pleased with my acceptances. </p>
<p>Remember: What you put into college is what you get out of it. I am sure most of us that have applied to these schools w/good MT programs are the best in our areas. We're getting all the lead roles, we're getting the "you have something special" comments after shows we do... what will seperate the successful ones from the unsuccessful is the amount of gumption, hardwork, and integrity that we put into what we do. The stars on Broadway aren't always the 'most talented'... but they get there by not giving up and (hopefully) working their ass off!<br>
"Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.<br>
- Sir Winston Churchill </p>
<p>Good luck everyone!</p>
<p>broadwayblondie, your comment is so very true. as i said before, these kids will all be fine in the end and will succeed or not based on many, many factors. that's why i'm ok with my lauren accepting her theatre performance offer. i know she can make it what she needs it to be. and the lessons being learned here are just a tip of the iceberg in this industry. so we all hang in there and stay in touch and see what happens. jamie</p>
<p>This posting is in regards to Midgetmom's postings as of late. I have been reading and posting on this MT forum for the last 20 months. I found it right when my daughter began her senior year auditions for MT. She is a now a freshman at NYU's Tisch/Cap21. I wish I had found this forum sooner than Aug. 2003, but, it helped nonetheless. It
had been in existence much earlier and would have helped us even more. </p>
<p>It has been the best forum ever and I have been amazed at the generosity of spirit and practical advice given over the years. </p>
<p>With that said, there has NEVER been a parent-poster quite like Midgetmom. How old are you exactly? I mean, my 18 year old is more mature than you. As a parent, you just very recently even got on this forum - And yet in no time you have shown such immaturity, jealousy and just plain poor adult behavior.</p>
<p>There is a reason some kids get into so many programs. They are the special ones - the one with the "it" factor.<br>
We will be seeing those kids in a few years on Broadway in the leading roles for sure. </p>
<p>If I may be so blunt - you have gotten into this game too late. There were many regional auditions where your daughter could have auditioned for 7 schools in one day at one site. But, since you didn't start at this forum until too late - you didn't know that. You probably haven't read all the postings that have been going on since - I believe fall of 2003 - literally thousands of helpful posts.</p>
<p>You have been bellyaching about everything: "its not fair" is your theme: my feelings are hurt; don't brag so much; no one understands what we are going through - I mean you are unbelievable! From putting your child in day care; to having to teach kids who got parts over your child; to not being able to pay for one audition; to having your feelings hurt about reading about successes... Get over it.</p>
<p>As I have told my daughter:
-there will always be someone who is more talented than you
-there will always be someone smarter than you
-there will always be someone with more money than you
-there will always be someone more beautiful than you
-there will always be someone more experianced than you</p>
<p>"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity."</p>
<p>-Margaret</p>
<p>So just get over it Midgetmom because there will always be people who:
-have more talent
-have more</p>
<p>The last 3 lines were not supposed to be posted. That explains the spacing in between the closing and the last 3 lines.
-Margaret</p>
<p>It amazes me how you have the nerve to post such a thing. But, being a Christian, I'm going to forgive you knowing that "you know not what you do".</p>
<p>I've e-mailed privately some of the posters whom I feel deserved more of an explanation. To you others, get over it yourselves!!!!</p>
<p>Would people please cool it? There are a number of people who have written things that are inflammatory. It just doesn't help to respond in kind, no matter how angry or fed up you are. And perhaps I'm just adding more flames to the fire, but frankly, it's us "grown-ups" who are behaving badly. Maybe because our kids have more experience with this medium. Or maybe because it's their lives and they are dealing with it and we can't accept that we are on the sidelines and can only watch. This has been a wonderful and supportive site, let's not ruin it. If people want to have ****ing matches, let's do it in private please.</p>
<p>Freelance, your friend is so right. Having gone to art school some 30 years ago, I know what life in the arts is. We learn to make and live with our compromises and that doesn't mean that those who make it big--on Broadway or in museums--are the only succesful ones. Success is how you define it. My D not too long ago asked me why I wasn't more successful when I'm "such a good artist?" I didn't really answer her other than to say that there were different ways to measure success and when I looked at her and her sister I felt pretty damn successful. She thought that an evasion.</p>
<p>In any event, having read her letter to Admissions, I know that she will find her way. I think she will stick with theatre but who knows? I do know that she can take care of herself, she's healthy and is a loving and caring human being. So really, what more can I ask for? (Lots of course ;) )</p>
<p>The 10th Commandment says ...</p>
<p>"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." (Exodus 20:17)</p>
<p>newmtmom & freelance: thank you, thank you, thank you.</p>
<p>We've been coping with some disappointments in our household, and I know my own nerves have been raw. If my frustration has come through in any posts (which have been infrequent of late), I apologize. We owe it to the kids who are succeeding to applaud not only their achievements but their excitement. We owe it to EVERY kid to be supportive and encouraging, and to remind them of important truths such as freelance's friend expressed. In all these instances, we as adults have to take ourselves to the side and maintain perspective. It's not about us.</p>
<p>A guy I know who happens to be a hypnotherapist says this in a book he wrote: "There is no such thing as failure. There are only results....Even if I don't hit the bullseye the first time, even if I don't hit the target at all...that's okay. There are only results. I can take another shot. I can shoot another arrow. And I keep taking aim...."</p>
<p>I would like to second NewMTMOM's remarks. This has been a wonderful site and I am most appreciative of the many posters who shared so much information about their experiences. Their generousity of information that could help some other kid (theoretically at the expense of their own) has been amazing. </p>
<p>Let's stop sounding like the cliche of "hockey dads" who slug it out when their kids don't get "adequate" playing time. </p>
<p>NYTheatermom</p>
<p>where is the love and support that this forum supposedly provides? i just can't believe the hatred in some of these posts against some people who bared their souls and shared with you. boy, i'll never post anything personal in here. and i don't usually address anyone in particular but, to mtheatremom, your post was particularly hateful and so far from the truth that it's unbelieveable, and cruel beyond belief. do you not have enough sense to know that no set of auditioners could truly discern who is going to be successful in a 3 minute audition? they just do the best they can but all you have to do is look at the stars of today and study their past failures and people who past them over to know that many people have the "it" factor and it's not necessarily recognized in any one audition. how naive can you get, much less insulting to those kids on this forum who may not have been accepted at one place or another. i wanted to just let this whole issue drop, but this one comment just flies in the face of all that's right and ethical. i guess it's easy for you to say since your daughter is at tisch. i just hope she never has any disappointments and then has someone like you tell her she doesn't "have it." and yes, many of these kids who have excelled in acceptances will be future stars, many won't. it takes more than the "it" factor to succeed. it takes many various character traits. and of course, many of us wish we had gotten "into this game" sooner. so punish us! good grief, we're all just loving parents trying to do the best for our kids. one of us doesn't realize in time, (including me) how competitive this college situation is and doesn't start in time, so you're going to hate me for it? give me a break. talk about over-reacting to a poor parent who thought she could trust the women on this forum to understand her feelings. i just absolutely cannot believe any one adult woman would talk to another that way. it's the anonymity of this situation. no one here would speak this way to someone face to face. let's at least use common courtesy.</p>
<p>I am concerned for those of you who have just joined us recently. Please don't give up on this wonderful resource because of the contentious nature of some posts. I have been following this musical theater thread on CC for over a year and a half now. It has been invaluable to me, a mom in the trenches, and has provided MT information and support that, to my knowledge, is unavailable anywhere else on the web. </p>
<p>With the new CC format we now have the ability to post on sub-threads, so those not interested in, or uncomfortable with the subject of ACCEPTANCES need not click there. Discussing our kids' acceptances is, for many of us, the culmination of many months of participation on CC. In getting back to the purpose of this ACCEPTANCE thread - my son has been accepted for MT to CCM, Cap 21, BoCo, Hartt, Penn State, U of Miami. WOO HOO!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I have been reading these posts for close to 2 years, since my s decided to go for MT and it has been incredibly helpful to me through the whole audition/acceptance process. Thank you to everyone for all of your thoughtful insights and information! Now that he is at the point of deciding where to go and has had acceptances, rejections, etc., I looked forward to looking at this subthread to see what others experiences were, how they made decisions, etc. Instead I find back-and-forth about things that have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. The idea to have the happy and rejected threads was a good one (although a shame this had to be done because of one poster, basically) but I cannot access them for some reason? Anyone else had this problem?</p>