College Audition Coaching dilemma

@PhilipM - there are many great free ways to glean information about the process. Summer programs and coaching are nice if you can do it. But there are many students who get through this process without either.

I can only speak about our experience. Our D did attend some summer programs . They did not help or hurt her in the audition process. it did help her know what type of program she might like to be a part of. And she was fortunate to work with college audition coach Mary Anna Dennard. But my point is this: if working with hr or any coach 1 on 1 isn’t right for your family, see what other ways you can learn from them. Mary Anna has so many ways to learn from her for free. She is extremely generous with the amount of information she shares for anyone who might be interested. For starters, you can read her book, “I Got In”. If you don’t want to buy it, check it out from the library or borrow a copy. It’s a great primer about the whole process. You can also check out her website where there are videos and blogs about all different parts of the process, many of which are free to view. She also writes frequently for both Backstage and the Huffington Post about this process, so you can google those articles. You can also check out all the usual social media platforms. She posts all sorts of live discussions about different parts of the process, interviews with some of the program chairs, etc… And I’m sure she’s not the only coach who has these resources available. I would look at all of their websites and see what information is available there at no charge. And google them as I’m sure many of them have written blogs and articles about the process. Start following all of them on social media. I am sure you will learn a lot just by keeping up with them. In addition to college audition coach, you should look at MTCA, Chelsea Diehl, and Dave Clemmons just to name a few. I know others on this board know other great coaches also and can perhaps chime in with their names.

You will find on CC that most people will agree that a coach is absolutely not necessary to be successful in this process. Different people have chosen to use them for different reasons. But it is not a necessity by any means. Also, Mary Anna offers some scholarships each year so that is something else that could be pursued. I believe other coaches may have scholarship opportunities as well.

@vvnstar Thanks.

Just interested reading this, as my daughter has been in this process over the year and now at the waiting game for all of her schools. As parents, particularly from out of country, we had absolutely NO IDEA how big an industry the MT college prep game is, and didn’t know that coaches even existed. Also, at some of the top schools, how much connections matter. If you have equally talented kids, those that have a pre-existing link to a school either through their summer program or their coach are bound to have an advantage. Same with Moonifieds, which does seem to me a somewhat unfair pay-to-play scheme. (Not disparaging any of you who have used a coach or attended Moonifieds). My daughter was able to attend a US performing arts summer camp, and it was very expensive for us (although she had to pay half from years of saving birthday and babysitting money). It really helped her find her niche and helped make the decision that MT was the avenue she wished to pursue. Determination and talent (and parents that can afford the audition process and costs) are the main considerations, but it is amazing how much $$ one could spend to try to get a leg up.

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@CanaDad -
Hindsight is 20/20. Here are my thoughts on college audition coaching:
The vast majority of MT parents have some sort of budget for MT-related activities, training and preparation. How to allocate that budget is a very personal decision that each family must determine for themselves.
Potential items that might be included in the budget are: dance lessons, dance team, voice lessons, choir expenses, acting lessons, performing arts camps, summer or weekend intensives, masterclasses, specialized apparel, travel expenses (even gas to and from), audition expenses, professional headshots/reels/prescreens, accompianists, acro lessons, instrument training, coaching, etc.
For those with low means, some of these potential expenses can be mitigated or even scholarshipped, including things such as camps or coaching.
Some families can afford to “pull out all of the stops” and do most (all) of the above. I’d say those situations are the minority, though. The vast majority of families will have to prioritize and choose which of those aforementioned activities, training opportunities and preparation pieces make the most sense for their child.
In our experience, coaching was a priority, and via our coaches, my student received assistance with: practical prep (“expect this when you walk in the room” and “be yourself” advice), monologue selection and script analysis, song selection and creation of 16 and 32 bar cuts, as well as - the chance to complete a series of early auditions and a network of other like-minded kids.
What did my kid have to forego? Taking more than 10 voice lessons, taking acting lessons, taking more than 5 private dance lessons, intensives, and professionally-shot prescreens.
Coaching is just another option available to MT kids, right alongside lessons in the triple threat disciplines. It’s simply a matter of allocation, not of affordability.
If you do not want /need a coach,but you still want to do some early auditions, check fall dates! Many schools offer them, including ones on-campus.

@Divamamacita , this might be a different perspective

Thanks, @beachymom. The whole coaching thing was just not the way we decided to go - there are clearly lots of pros to using a coach for all of the reasons that you describe. Each kid and each family needs to find their own path. Thanks for your perspective. We are nearing the end of our journey with my son and daughter - I am so excited for their options and can’t wait for them to decide which to pursue.

@Divamamacita - MT twins? Bless you! I have 5 boys including a set of twins, but only 1 theater kid. :slight_smile:
Yep - it is such a personal journey regarding allocation and approach!
Wishing your kids the best and cannot wait to hear how they land.

@beachymom makes a lot of sense. To me voice lessons, dance lessons, summer performances and such are not unlike the robotics club or other engineering competitions that are available to kids who aspire to study engineering at a top engineering school. I dont have a problem with audition coaches per se, but audition coaches who have special relationships with specific schools and audition events researved only for their students seems icky at best and inherently corruptible at worst. But maybe I am being oversly sensitive given the recent press.

All, let me add some thoughts about the college audition process, specifically in light of the news from last week.

In the spirit of full disclosure, my wife is a professional college admissions counselor who has helped hundreds of students with the process over the last 7 years. Her active roster of students includes a mix of MT and non-MT, and about half of her practice is pro bono. It’s very much a lifestyle and calling for her as opposed to a job. In addition, we used Mary Anna for our own son last year, and have assisted dozens of other MT students (who are not clients) with finding coaches, tutors, instructors, etc. This last year we volunteered at Moonifieds to help with the Juniors event, as it was a good opportunity to help a large number of students in one sitting.

That said, I can very confidently state that I have never even suspected a pay-to-play arrangement with MT admissions in these past years. Unlike the fraudulent activities in the news, MT students must ultimately stand on their talent and merits all alone in the audition room. Auditors and recruiters want the best talent that fits their needs, and must live with their class selections for four years. Every school representative I’ve met, without exception really, has been truly interested in the students, their craft, and the program.

There also has been some criticism here about private audition events. Moonifieds is the most discussed, but there are other growing events like the new one in Atlanta, and others. It’s true that these events are generally open only to students affiliated with the coach(es) producing the event. As a practical matter, it would be impossible to make them completely open - and we already have that, Unifieds. I am most familiar with College Audition Coach and CAP, and the step-in price for becoming part of their ‘team’ is $400-$600 for the online components. Certainly not free, but well worth the investment for the collected knowledge contained in those portals. Then, add in the cost of attending the event (which offsets the costs of bringing those schools to the location, etc.). For many, not affordable. For many others, a key part of their process.

For these private events, the value for us was completely worth it. Many of our son’s target schools were in attendance at Moonifieds, which led to a great deal of simplification when it came to on-campus and Unified attendance. We know of several students this year that did not attend Unifieds and only did on-campus visits to select their final choice, based on the coverage of schools at Moonifieds and/or CAP United. The travel costs saved by the ‘investment’ in the private event were real. It’s ultimately a family decision whether the VALUE offered by one of these coaches and their events is worth it. The schools have a limited time, budget, and energy to find the increasing number of students who want to attend an MT program. Unifieds is already frenetic, and the number of schools you can realistically see is quite low compared to the private events.

Do the coaches have connections with schools? Of course. You should view them in that way no different than a casting agent or manager. They bring attention to those students they know best - their clients - and provide additional context for the auditors and recruiters. But based on our personal experience, the talent of your student and the needs of the program win the day every time.

There are way more students interested in studying musical theatre than the system can accommodate. Many of them may have the dream and desire, but not the talent. Others may have the talent but not the resources. Like any system, it’s not perfect - but by and large the system has enough pathways to surface talent to the schools.

Prescreens - Free, and the feedback ‘saves’ you the cost of focusing on schools not interested.
Unifieds - Low cost per audition, but travel costs and limits on the number of auditions based on time
On-campus - Free, with travel costs if you’re not local
Private Events - Paid, but realistically a higher number of schools at which to audition, many of which consider the audition a final audition (so no on-campus travel needed)

Personally, I consider some expenses a baseline. If you’ve not read my thoughts on training, please see here: http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/2071562-training-shows-and-teachers.html

Other expenses are nearly mandatory. On campus auditions, Unifieds, they all require travel money. Once your student gets accepted to a program, there are expenses which are NOT covered in student loans or 529 plans… Supplies for acting class, instruments, shoes (oh the shoes), costume supplements, travel for summer auditions and work… This is NOT a low cost endeavor in the long run. Balancing the reality of those expenses with the dream of your student is hard work. I have seen families that spare NO expense (with over 30 colleges on their list). I also have seen families be successful while pinching every penny.

A bit of a rant, but I hope this reaches people who might be concerned about the process and specifically areas where there is more money flowing around the system.

PS - Every professional I know in this business - coaches, instructors, etc. have a scholarship program. All of them LOVE to take on highly talented students and be a small part of their career journey. More often than not, those professionals focus their scholarships on underrepresented students, for which there is an acute need in the MT college programs. If there is someone getting rich in this business, I haven’t met them yet. They are all too interested in the craft.

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so glad that @FirstLobster wrote the above. As you can see earlier I wrote something but chose to delete it. I felt disturbed by the assertion that coaches have a pay to pay scheme. And that attending summer programs necessarily gives you the inside advantage. We used MTCA in a limited way. Their ala carte option made it affordable for us. Ellen Lettrich is an above board honorable coach with her students best interests at heart and does not promote individual students to programs. That would be unfair to the rest of her clients. I also believe you can navigate this process with out a coach! We filmed our pre-screens on my daughters iPhone - no need for expensive videographers. And while summer programs are wonderful and can benefit your child in terms of skill set and confidence, I can honestly say very few of my daughters class at Michigan attended MPulse. It’s what you do in the audition room that matters.

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@singoutlouise My opinion is that all these coaches are honorable. And MTCA does have private auditions for Baldwin Wallace for just their students, and many performing arts schools have private auditions with colleges for their students. Nothing wrong with any of that as far as I can see.

My earlier comments weren’t meant to criticize coaches and families that use them. I’m sure they can be really valuable and have honorable intent in their work. And I get that this process won’t always have a level playing field. I do have some issue with having private paid access to a school or audition that isn’t equally open to everyone. It’s a little like Harvard saying we are going to visit kids at some elite private schools but the average kid at the public school has to come and visit us. I am NOT suggesting that those kids get an advantage in the audition room, although if a school has a longstanding close relationship with a particular coach you can’t help but wonder if there’s a risk of bias. In the end, kids will be accepted or denied on their merits and we would never use not having a coach or private audition opportunity as something to blame for rejection from a program. Just more of an observation about what a big complicated and expensive machine the whole process is. And something for a tired parent to muse about while waiting for more school news?

Hey @CanaDad Your words are wise, “kids will be accepted or denied on their merits”. But for parents who don’t use coaches, it is a feeling of being less advantaged.

I also don’t have any issue with coaches assisting with things like song choice, selecting schools to apply for, etc…but when coaches start advocating for their clients directly with faculty…well, that’s where it starts to kinda feel an unlevel playing field to me… that said, there are plenty of examples on CC where kids did ok with and without coaches…

Like @canadad, I was not intending to impugn the integrity of anyone involved in this industry. I am just starting out understanding the entirety of tne process. There is a lot I dont like about the college admissions process and industry, having gone through it once with a non theater kid. The whole Early Decision thing, for example, is 100% in the Universities’ interest and disadvantages kids who can’t afford to commit to any school before they get financial aid offers. That it is allowed, troubles me.

In that context, its fair to say that it bothers me that private auditions are allowed, particulalrly since admission is so competitive. And it bothers me particularly because so many programs are within public universities, including in my home state, so I would like to think there is a relatively even playing field even recognizng the inherent costs generally. I have no reason to question @firstlobster’s assertion that the vast vast vast majority of folks are people of good will doing their best for the kids, but I am troubled by the casting agent analogy as these are not auditions for professional jobs, they are auditions for univesity programs, many publicly funded, and I hope they have to meet a higher standard of inclusivity. I hope to discover there are safeguards in place beyond trusting the noble intention, as real as it maybe, of folks whose livlihood is based on getting kids admitted to schools.

Key word above: INDUSTRY. That about sums it up!

Speaking as an independent college counselor, the vast majority of us adhere to ethical codes of conduct for our profession including not advocating on behalf of students directly with colleges.

I understand that some artistic coaches don’t operate under this same code that independent college counselors go by. It’s not the same profession.

I was initially surprised when some years ago, colleges were willing to participate in privately held auditions run by private artistic coaches. I never expected such direct contact as that, because that is not how it works with private college consultants who have no direct contact with colleges about the students whom they advise. But I assume the college programs must want to go where they have a collection of talented students. Anyway, it has been going on now for some years.

I do recommend artistic coaching of some type to prepare for auditions, though it can be local too.

As far as privately held auditions, they exist, and if you wish to and can afford to participate, do so. I will just say that it is not a necessity and many, many applicants get accepted each year who did not attend such events (my own kid included). Basically, keep to your own path and try to worry less what others are doing, or you will drive yourself crazy. I understand a parent may worry that so and so is doing X and may have an advantage.

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As someone said earlier, I don’t think coaches are reaching and advocating for particular kids at particular colleges. These coaches work with hundreds of kids every year. And all those kids are shooting for the same programs. How would a coach choose which student to advocate for over another? We used Chelsea at MCA, and I know she wasn’t doing that. And as for summer programs at colleges, my daughter did CMU’s summer program, and I don’t think anyone her year wound up attending CMU. It helped them prepare for auditions generally, and because of that many of them, my daughter included, ended up at top institutions. But it wasn’t a leg up as far as attending CMU.

I would pay him to say she’s the next Taylor Swift.