College of Letters and Science

Does the L & S consider subject tests ?
If so, will they even accept Jan subject test scores ??

Deadline for SAT and SAT subject tests is December.

Berkeley

College of Chemistry and College of Engineering: Math Level 2 and a science test (Biology E/M, Chemistry, or Physics) closely related to the applicant’s intended major.

@Gumbymom I’m asking if COLLEGE OF LETTERS AND SCIENCE CONSIDEREs SAT subject tests.
And their deadline is Nov 30th but they accept Dec scores…I want to know if they ALSO accept JANUARY SAT SUBJECT TEST scores.

Yes, I know what you are asking. UCB only recommends subject test scores for the College of Chemistry and College of Engineering which is why I posted the above information ^^^ which is readily available on the website. Also on the website, it states up to the December sittings for SAT tests which includes SAT subject tests. UCB will consider subject test even if not recommended if they are competitively high but January is too late.

Oh okay I see.
Thanks :slight_smile:

How tough is it to get 3.3 gpa and declare cs. I’m from India and have studied cs right from the 8th to 12th grade. (100% in ICSE boards, topped my class in 11th). I know JavaScript, Python, Swift, Ruby, and PHP.

@ad93107
With a 3.3 gpa, applying as an international student to an impacted major at UC Berkeley: your chances are, honestly, abysmal.

More importantly: why do you want to go to Berkeley, particularly?

@ProfessorD I said how tough is TO GET a 3.3 gpa and declare CS after freshman year at the college of letters and science

@ad93107 I see. The confusion arose from the fact that you are asking about how difficult it is to get a particular GPA as a student, in a thread in which you are asking about admissions.

Nobody can possibly tell you how hard it will be for you to get a particular GPA. That will be a function of which classes you take, your diligence, and aptitudes.

Your SAT is one of the least important parts of your application package. Your GPA is more essential. And you are still at a significant disadvantage as an international student. Furthermore, changing majors to an impacted major after admission is as difficult, or more so, then declaring the major as a freshman. Some of majors are closed to transfer application, even within the college.

And you still have not answered the essential question: why Berkeley?

@ProfessorD Maybe you are not aware of the fact that everyone enters L & S undeclared and has to declare their major at the end of freshman year…The recent cut-off for CS at L & S was 3.3…And on my application, I DID select CS as my intended major.
Also, if you don’t mind me asking, how is why berkeley relevant here ?

@ad93107 Not my school, and I don’t do undergraduate advising much any more anyway, so no, I did not know that. It still begs the questions of why you think other people can tell you what grades you’ll get and, essentialy: why Berkeley?

@ProfessorD …I wasn’t really asking people to tell me what grades I’ll get, I was hoping someone who has actually attended L & S would see my comment and maybe give some insight…I want to attend Berkeley because of 3 reason. Firstly, the caliber of the faculty, for example Berkeley uploaded one of their CS courses by Professor Dan Garcia and I really liked how enthusiastic he was while teaching. Secondly, its proximity to Silicon valley. Thirdly, I have family living close by in San Francisco and Danville and have visited the Berkeley campus before.

@ad93107 “give some insight” into what, particularly? It still sounds like you are seeking reassurances about the difficulty of the classes, or the consequent difficulty of achieving a particular GPA. Again, nobody can answer that question for you.

Good luck.

thanks

@ad93107
From what I heard, the average GPA in the lower division courses (CS61A, CS61B, and CS70) is a ~2.7. So you’re going to have to do above average in these classes in order to declare your major.

@liwen6 Thanks for the input, this was the sort of advice I was looking for.
@ProfessorD Why don’t you try advising someone like this instead of trying you hardest to discourage people by commenting on details irrelevant to the question posed.

Going and assuming that you will be admitted to Berkeley is one thing, presuming that someone will hire you in Silicon Valley is another thing.

It is very difficult now to gain employment in the US if you are a non-citizen. Companies have to tell the Immigration Service that there are no qualified US applicants. That’s not happening now with the huge numbers of CS domestic students in US universities.

So, if you are selecting Berkeley because you think Silicon Valley will sponsor you, then you may want to rethink your strategy especially since your fees at a UC will run you from $55K to $58K per year. There is no financial aid for non-California residents.

Non citizens are being advised to assume that they are returning to their country after graduation.

I don’t think my information is irrelevant.

A 3.3 isn’t too hard. If you’re as qualified as you make it sound, it should be no problem. 61A, the introductory course, is heavily curved, and 61B is fairly an enjoyable course with applicable projects. CS70 is basically math extremely heavy on proofs, and tends to be the hardest.

A 3.3 only needs to be slightly above the average (straight B+s, which is very doable). At the town hall meeting for L&S however they plan to raise the cap to a 3.5 some time in the future, not sure when.

@“aunt bea” What you are saying makes sense…but what ProfessorD said was certainly irrelevant…I was asking how tough a 3.3 gpa is to declare cs and he was replying with how tough it is to get in as an international student…Also, I’m not assuming I’ll get into Berkeley, I’m just hoping and praying I do. As for Silicon Valley, I don’t have any intention of it sponsoring me, I’ll be paying for College through student loans and family funds. I would like to latch on to any opportunity i get to maybe do an internship in Silicon Valley but my ultimate goal is to return to India after grad school

@iamsaucy Oh okay…Thanks :smiley:
I am really passionate about cs. JavaScript is part of my school coursework and I have learnt the other languages using Udacity, CodeAcademy, and some other websites.