<p>using ad-hominem attacks and saying “my friend was raped in completely different circumstances” is not the way to go</p>
<p>it’s an interesting, legitimate discussion, don’t **** it up please</p>
<p>I don’t understand why this is argument or whatever the hell it is, is going on six pages.
Rape is wrong and there’s absolutely zero justification to ever rape someone. End.</p>
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<p>i agree but that doesn’t address gotakun’s points.</p>
<p>and it’s the beginning of the third page for me</p>
<p>LogicWarrior-
I am not the one who started this attack. Yes I am angry, and yes I did say I was sickened, but I think that you truly don’t understand how horrible rape is. Gotakun’s points aren’t very strong. His points are the types of excuses men will come up with in order to get a “get out jail free” card. Yes grinding can be a very sexual experience, but typically most men are able to keep it in their pants and not go after some girl. For heavens sakes, I started grinding with guys in middle school. Was I telling them that I wanted sex? Absolutely not. In fact my high school had a HUGE thing about grinding. Faculty members believed it facilitated sexual behavior, while the students completely disagreed. The students sincerely believed that grinding is a type of dance and that it does not mean that sexual intercourse is going to occur afterwards. If male adolescents who are known to be very sexual believe that they are not going to immediately want to fornicate with a girl after grinding, then it is hard for me to accept that when a girl grinds with a guy it is an invitation for sex/rape.</p>
<p>I do agree that false claims of rape are terrible. I believe those who raise false allegations should get in some sort of trouble and apologize to the person, but nothing incredibly serious. Because what if a rape victim believes that her true claim of rape may be turned into a false claim because there isn’t enough evidence? They will not come forward and the rapist will be able to remain in society unpunished.</p>
<p>what? i’m the one saying rape is bad</p>
<p>alright. I guess I misunderstood you then. my apologies</p>
<h2>Some of you who are sharp enough will understand this. You will realize that rapists are really not wrong in their doing, from a human standpoint. What makes them bad is how they make the world “feel” unsafer.</h2>
<p>***!!! What are you trying to say ? Rape is not about sex, its about power/control. Quite honestly, some of these posts here make me loose faith in the CC population…</p>
<p>On a side note, grinding (to a guy) can be interpreted as sexual. Obviously, male/female interpret these differently. Physical contact from a girl to guy is different then guy to girl and women need to be careful which messages they send so they don’t send the wrong message–or have it misinterpreted.</p>
<p>Back to the whole grinding thing… Unless a girl actually says “I want to go bang you” or says anything of the sort, then there is still no real argument. Yes guys may think grinding is sexual, but let me ask you CC male population a question:</p>
<p>If you were grinding with a girl who was inebriated, would you feel right having sex with her even if she told you no?</p>
<p>not unless she was taking my/her clothes off when saying no</p>
<p>You just proved my point. Just because a girl grinds with you (that’s all I’m talking about right now) DOES NOT mean that she wants you to have sex with her. Therefore using the excuse that a girl grinded with you (which means she must want you) is a completely invalid defense for rape.</p>
<p>again i agree</p>
<p>I know. I am just using you to prove my point. Thank you haha</p>
<p>Like 90% of you guys completely suck and I give up. You should be ashamed of yourselves and I am done.</p>
<p>Twisted, I am hoping you are not talking about me.</p>
<p>this is really scary. worried about college now:(</p>
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Just because it’s common practice to grind and not intend to sexually engage your partner doesn’t mean it isn’t a sexual invitation. It’s so common to not imply sex, in fact, that many people no longer even associate it with sex, even though it is as close to genital-on-genital contact as couples are going to get in public. It is a sexual invitation; it’s just common practice for people not to mean it, which is dangerous (especially under the influence of drugs).</p>
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If she expressed disinterest, like in your example, then only a true rapist is going to force sex against her will. She gave an implied sexual invitation, but she took it back, and that’s what matters.</p>
<p>I can almost guarantee all you drama queens that no one is defending anyone who is going to knowingly force someone to have sex with them against their will. Only a ■■■■■ would do something like that. So quit being a bunch of idiots and realize that you’re over-reacting and making false assumptions.</p>
<p>“Just because it’s common practice to grind and not intend to sexually engage your partner doesn’t mean it isn’t a sexual invitation. It’s so common to not imply sex, in fact, that many people no longer even associate it with sex, even though it is as close to genital-on-genital contact as couples are going to get in public. It is a sexual invitation; it’s just common practice for people not to mean it, which is dangerous (especially under the influence of drugs).”</p>
<p>Gotakun, sexual consent is not a slippery slope. Whether or not it is sexual is completely irrelevant. I can take off my clothes and start making out with someone, obviously a sexual advance, but if at any point I say NO, that’s it, there is not consent, man has to stop, that is the end. There is NOTHING I can do to surrender the rights to my body, certainly not grinding in a club. If somebody says no, NO MATTER WHAT HAS ALREADY TRANSPIRED, that means no and it stops or it is rape. Style of dance is completely irrelevant.</p>
<p>@Jtaylor, don’t be too worried. It’s always good to be vigilant, but understand that stories about sexual assault will be far more nagging on your mind than stories about nothing bad happening on campuses. Because nothing bad happening is the norm.</p>
<p>Just be smart. Don’t drink too much, don’t hang out with sketchy guys, and if a guy isn’t understanding your rejection of his advances, make a run for it. Vigilance is the best non-violent defense (IMO the best defense, if you can find an opportunity for it, is a well-placed gun shot. But I know of no campus that allows concealed carry. And for the sake of not starting another 20 page argument on guns, let’s pretend I didn’t say that).</p>
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<p>Gotakun you make no sense. Grinding is a sexual invitation, but no one means it? If no one means it, then it’s not an invitation. Maybe it seems like an invitation, but if there’s no meaning behind it, it can hardly be interpreted as such.</p>