<p>Hey, everybody! It's Em here. I'm on my mom's computer. Not gonna register because I really don't have much online time these days. Headed back to school today after a great break at home! Just wanted to wish all of you who will be auditioning in the next couple of months lots of wonderful break-a-legs! I hope all of you get into the schools of your dreams and end up as happy as I am at Tisch. Gotta go! :)</p>
<p>Stagedoor Manor is sold out for girls for the second of their three dates for summer 2005. I had no idea they would be sold out before pre-college programs even have their 2005 dates listed yet!</p>
<p>Soozievt,</p>
<p>Your daughter heard back from NFAA? Did she get something in the mail? I'm wondering because I'm anxiously awaiting my results as well!</p>
<p>What do you think the pros and cons would be of working with two vocal coaches... one classical, one musical theater oriented? Do you think it's better to focus on one type of training at a time?
thanks,
dani</p>
<p>Actor465</p>
<p>I can tell you what they did last year. Finalists (top 2%), Honorable Mention (top 5%) and Merit (top 10%) are the first to get letters congratulating them on their awards. My recollection is that the letters were spaced out a bit but by no more than a few days. Sometime within a week of the letters going out they will post results on the website. You will be able to input your ID# and get your score for each discipline you entered. Scores range from 10 (a finalist), 9 (Honorable Mention), 8 (Merit) down to 1. If you were not recognized in the top 10%, you will get a letter at a much later date thanking you for your participation. My D was an Honorable Mention awardee in Classical Voice (Soprano) last year and did not get an award in MT so we experienced/utilized all of the above notification procedures last year. If you want to know what happens if you are named a finalist or even a Presidential Scholar in the Arts, you'll have to ask WCT (a frequent poster here). Her son was a Theater(Acting) Finalist AND Presidential Scholar in 2003. (Bravo again, my friend!!!)</p>
<p>By the way, even if you don't "place," do not despair of your chances to make it into a good college program. My D, who, as I said, didn't place in MT last year is a freshman MT at Michigan........Last year there were over 6500 entrants in NFAA!! It is highly competitive and many very talented kids are not recognized. </p>
<p>SoozieVT - Congrats to your D on her NFAA achievement!! You should be very proud.</p>
<p>Thank you Theatermom. I will tell my D of your thoughts of her NFAA merit award being an achievement. And I heard of the competition from you in the first place. Clearly your D and WCT's son made out terrific last year. </p>
<p>Actor....Theatermom gave you the skinny on the process. To answer your question to me is that yes, she got a letter in a regular white envelope yesterday with the notification. I know one friend in FL that got the same letter. I have not yet heard of her other friends, all of whom are not local friends, and what ,if any, they got so far. The letter does say that the list will go up on the website on Dec. 1, as well as being able to check your "score". </p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>If I said that I would consider another studio (other than cap 21), are my chances for CAP totally ruined? CAP is by far my first choice, but stella adler is my second choice..The judge put down well researched and very enthusiastic for stella...will this hurt my chances for cap?</p>
<p>How do these auditions work? Does Tisch decide to accept you and then they wait for the admissions to decide? What if you're the last person to be reviewed? My ACT's won't be at tisch till early december.(since my october scores were higher, I decided to use them) NYU doesn't process rush scores, they do it on a monthly basis. I'm worried that I may be penalized for being reviewed later in the process. Will people be chosen before me? I hope this is not true, because the admissions should know that there may be more talented people that have their scores sent a little later. I bet that they decide who will be accepted into the programs after all the auditions are finished...then they see if your academics will be enough for you to be accepted. I'm not sure though. I'm going crazy, I truly want this more than anything in the world. If anyone can help me, I would so appreciate it. ALWAYSAMOM, you have a lot of knowledge about the tisch program. Can you (or your daughter) answer this question? Anyone else? Thank you.</p>
<p>ariya, first let me say that from all I've heard, specifying that you will accept a second studio will in no way jeopardize your chances at CAP21 if they think that you will fit there.</p>
<p>Secondly, as far as the mechanics of the decision making process. It really is done in two separate parts. The academic review is done by the Tisch committee in the Admissions office and the artistic review, obviously, is done by the individuals who were your auditors. From what admissions told us when my D applied, the Admissions committee completes the academic review, and when they receive the artistic reviews from the auditors, they match them up. You MUST pass the academic review or you will not be admitted. We were told this by two different admissions individuals on two separate occasions so I'm assuming it's true. This is why it is really a myth when you hear that as long as you have amazing talent, that Tisch will overlook poor academic stats. I honestly don't think that they wait until all auditions are over before starting the decision-making process. It seems to me that it would be too cumbersome to do it that way, and would leave too much work to do in a very short time. </p>
<p>As for the ACT score issue, I would call the admissions office if I were you just to confirm that. They always say that they cannot guarantee to review scores which are received late. I've seen that comment on the Admissions bulletin board in response to that question so often, I'm sure you have, too. Give them a call just to set your mind at ease. I know that applicants who have been referred to GSP are already starting to receive notice so the E.D. review is closer to being finished than many would think. Good luck to you!</p>
<p>Susan--Congratulations to your talented daughter on the NFAA award! You must be so proud of her!!</p>
<p>Ariya,</p>
<p>We were told at the parent's open house that students were placed into studios according to their strengths. If your strength is musical theater, it would have shown in your audition and you will be placed in Cap 21. Each studio seems to have its own personality and from what my daughter tells me all her friends have been placed appropriately. As you might already know, after two years you may audition to be placed in another studio. Please don't go crazy agonizing over this, no matter where you are placed you will get amazing training!</p>
<p>Susan,</p>
<p>Congratulations on your daughter's award! From what I have read, both your children are amazing... you and your husband are doing something right!</p>
<p>Do most schools place more of an emphasis on singing and acting than dancing? Are there any schools that weigh all three equally or have a more challenging dance audition? How much is the dance portion of the audition weighed at Michigan, Elon, Syracuse, or Florida State?</p>
<p>MtMommy and Kiri, thank you very much for being so supportive! I had not planned on posting about the NFAA but when someone wanted to know if letters were out, I was trying to be resourceful. But ya know, from the way you guys are talking, I am going to tell my daughter she did better than she thought. I am not sure she realized that even getting the Merit Award was pretty good given how competitive things are on a national level. </p>
<p>We start the first of the auditions this week and I hope I run into some of you. I can tell this forum is filled with many talented kids and I am convinced you will all end up some place even if we don't know where. It is a long road this year but things turn out. </p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>Below I'm attempting to copy from the general information section what has been posted before about dance at the auditions. Of the 4 you asked about, we haven't visited FSU, I believe Syracuse and Michigan are both looking for strong dance in addition to singing and acting at the audition (all 3 areas are evaluated), and Elon - no dance is required at the audition, but if a student feels that dance is a strong point, he / she can substitute a dance number for a singing number. Elon said they feel their dance instruction is so strong that the students learn everything they need in the program, so they do not have to come into the program as strong dancers. My opinion is that Syracuse, Michigan, and Elon all have strong triple threat programs and do a good job mixing all 3 areas in the programs.</p>
<p>Here is the copy from another area of the web:</p>
<p>If you're wondering about how big a part dance plays in college and college auditions, Mtmommy wrote this summary of what has been expressed on the board about dance in various programs: </p>
<p>INFORMATION ABOUT MUSICAL THEATRE PROGRAMS WITH STRONG DANCE COMPONENT </p>
<p>The following information has been compiled from opinions posted by various posters and how the schools present their own programs by telephone and website. The accuracy has not been established by more valid means. </p>
<p>The schools that have been reported to be strongest in dance include Florida State University, University of Michigan, Oklahoma City University, Tisch (CAP21 studio), Boston Conservatory, Syracuse, Penn State, CCM (some disagreement about this), Cal State Fullerton, and Otterbein. Otterbein has a special track for dancers called BFA in Musical Theatre with a Concentration in Dance (they also have a dance minor available), as does University of North Texas and a couple of the SUNY schools. Millikin University has a dance minor you can take in addition to the MT program. Point Park University and University of Arizona are known to be strong in dance, so it is assumed that dance will be a strong component in those MT programs. Please note, however, that many musical theatre programs are not connected at all to the dance departments. The teachers and facilities are different. Therefore, a strong dance major is not necessarily an indication that the dance component of the musical theatre program is strong. For example, OCU is very strong in both musical theatre and dance, but they exist in separate schools within the university, with different faculty and facilities. </p>
<p>Advanced dancers take note: University of the Arts, while having a dance major, does not speak of dance as an important component of their MT major. CMU and UCLA are notably lacking in the dance component. Strong dancers at CMU take classes at Point Park to keep up their skills. Ithaca's dance has been noted to be weak, also. </p>
<p>A few other points that have been made on this subject include: </p>
<p>The Tisch application allows students the option of signing up for an "advanced dance" audition. Far fewer students audition with this option than without it. Whether or not it helps a student get into the CAP21 studio has not been determined.
Point Park University has one of the hardest dance auditions, but for an advanced dancer it was still easy. The CMU dance audition is very easy for an advanced dancer.
Although Boston Conservatory is considered to be strong in dance, there is no dance audition for their MT program.
There is no dance department at CMU, which might account for the perceived weakness in dance in CMUs MT program.
In many of the MT programs, advanced dancers take classes alongside students who have never studied dance. Some programs, such as Western Michigan University and Wichita State University, allow students to take higher level dance classes if qualified. At Tisch, MT majors may not take dance classes with dance majors.
Oklahoma City Universitys dance audition is not part of the actual audition, but used strictly for placement. </p>
<p>Ericsmom</p>
<p>We were interested to learn recently that Marymount Manhattan has a minor in Musical Theater, but students in the minor are not allowed to take dance classes at the college. There is a dance major and only dance majors can take dance at Marymount. MT minors have to take dance elsewhere in NYC.</p>
<p>Dance</p>
<p>"For example, OCU is very strong in both musical theatre and dance, but they exist in separate schools within the university, with different faculty and facilities."</p>
<p>A clarification on the above excerpt...it is true that OCU has a separate dance school from the music school from which MT majors are based. However, it is my understanding that MT majors do take classes with the same dance faculty from the dance school. I believe my D was told at auditions that there are two basic or introductory levels of dance...then 8 "levels" of dance above that. The dance majors begin their training within the 8 level system. A MT major might begin at a beginning level if necessary...or be placed within the "hierarchy" of the levels of dancers with more training. So MT majors train alongside the Dance majors as their training allows. The purpose of the dance audition at OCU (which is optional) is for levelling....so they know where to place students. </p>
<p>Hope that clarifies!</p>
<p>I've gone back and researched Boston Conservatory on the old threads and was surprised that on the list of schools where this thread's 2004 posters were attending, that BOCO was not listed. I also did not find any posters with first hand experience. Just curious if there are any parents/students out there with first hand experience with BOCO's MT program.</p>
<p>Klri,
Just for clarification: Yes, it is true that Tisch drama places accepted kids where their strengths are - however, to say "if a student's strength is MT then that student will be placed in CAP 21" is an oversimplification. At the Parent's Day question and answer session/orientation with Frank Ventura this past Oct. 23rd, I found a little clarification on the matter. 3000 kids auditioned for Tisch drama with 1400-1700 of those kids wanting CAP 21 first. So only about 4% of kids wanting CAP21 actually get accepted to that studio. I also found out that Mr. Ventura considers CAP a 3 yr. program and says he can't teach it all in 2 years. Lee Strasberg studio has dance and singing as well.
-mtheatremom</p>
<p>Mtheatremom</p>
<p>Wow, I had no idea about the numbers that applied to Cap21. Thank you for clarifying. The good thing is that the kids have options at the audition. Just goes to show that they should research the other studios, if they are willing to try something else. These studios all have a lot to offer and are worth investigating.</p>