<p>I don't want to debate the test-bias thing either, but I'm just dubious of the claim that they would turn a total blind eye to the SAT Writing when, for years, they'd look at -- and require -- what was essentially the same test (the SAT 2 writing).</p>
<p>Unless the woman was lying, they are going to wait a while before taking the Writing section seriously. She said there was not enough evidence yet to convince them of its reliability. Also I don't know the differences between the old SAT II Writing and the new one but I'm guessing they're not identical.</p>
<p>^They're not...but CR is not at all identical to the old Verbal, and Math is not at all identical to the old Quantitative Ability.</p>
<p>my grades suck</p>
<p>that sucks</p>
<p>about the SAT IIs...do they seriously recommend at least a 750? because i've heard that anything over 700 wouldn't keep you out, or something to that extent.</p>
<p>Having a 2100 versus having a 2400 is kind of a difference. But the difference between a 2250 and 2400 is hardly anything at all. They aren't going to reject you because you got a 730.</p>
<p>I think it's unfair to say that you "at least have to have a 750" on the SAT II's. I doubt there is a concrete cutoff score.</p>
<p>Do you know if perhaps they treat the SAT Writing section as a third SAT II?</p>
<p>Try to shoot for at least 95th percentile on the tests. On some, this means close to a perfect score (Math 1) and on others, you've got some more leeway.</p>
<p>Of course, an 800 on Math II is only in the 90th or so percentile.</p>
<p>How is a GPA of a 3.82 after junior year? [I had straight As freshman year, and sophomore year I had all As except for a B+ in a one credit class, so my GPA didn't fall much. I took the highest level classes I could those two years, but my school does not offer any APs to freshmen and sophomores. So, I took 4 APs this year, 2 honors courses, and a yearbook course for the second year. The thing is, these classes were quite hard. I might end up with an A in one AP and an honors course, 2 B+ in 2 APs and 1 honors course, and a B in AP English where the grade is capped at a B+. If things go well, I'll actually have an A in 2 APs and an honors rather than just one AP. Even though I'm not upset about these grades cause I tried my hardest, they still hurt my GPA.]</p>
<p>tux</p>
<p>horrible. You will never get in</p>
<p>I hate the sarcasm. I think I'll just accept what I got as answer from the Dartmouth folks. RELAX! I just have to keep telling myself that over and over again.</p>
<p>Don't worry, I'm freaking out over minuscule things too.</p>
<p>I'm going to bump this thread up, because people are getting confused with the Columbia Application. </p>
<p>I also like this thread, because it is taken from my own personal notes.</p>
<p>Don't take my numbers too harshly, but know they are counted.</p>
<p>Points 1 and 2 make me cry whereas the rest put a smile on my face. I hate that I'm more of a "go out and do something" person than a "sit home and study for school and SAT's" person.</p>
<p>I sooo highly doubt tha they will cut you off if you have a 2000 or below</p>
<p>columbia explicitly stated that they have no minimum cut-offs for GPA, SAT etc. As long as you are up tothe challenge and do the work thast why i oppose Point 1</p>
<p>other than that ia gree with everything else</p>
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They take the highest score and only look at Math and Verbal (which may change soon)</p>
<p>This was beneficial for me, as Columbia saw me as a 1570 rather than a 2260. You also need over 750 or so on your SATIIs.
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<p>I agree with Denz and C02 on the Writing section, it sounds very strange to me that they would require SATII writing and then when they make that test part of the SATI they suddenly don't trust it.....SATII writing was required for both CC and SEAS prior to the new SAT format.</p>
<p>Now about how point 1 is very misleading....your "Bottom Line" of needing top scores is incorrect, SATs aren't the do all and end all if your scores are a bit low on one section it won't keep you out. Also, that you need 750+ on SAT IIs is DEAD WRONG...PERIOD....i would suggest you actually delete this from your original post because it is very far from the truth...as Denz has said before and I agree with him...700+ is probably a safe bet for SATIIs.</p>
<p>other than point 1, i think the rest of your advice is good</p>
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I sooo highly doubt tha they will cut you off if you have a 2000 or below</p>
<p>columbia explicitly stated that they have no minimum cut-offs for GPA, SAT etc. As long as you are up tothe challenge and do the work thast why i oppose Point 1I sooo highly doubt tha they will cut you off if you have a 2000 or below</p>
<p>columbia explicitly stated that they have no minimum cut-offs for GPA, SAT etc. As long as you are up tothe challenge and do the work thast why i oppose Point 1
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<p>of course they are going to explicitly state that there is no minimum cut-off for GPA and SAT because they want more people to apply so their admission rate can be as low as possible!!! Its probably the most transparent thing in college admissions and you didnt see right through it. </p>
<p>That being said....2000 is more or less the point where you should not really be expecting to get in unless you are URM or have done something absolutely spectacular etc.</p>
<p>Incorrect^
the dumb athletes that got, im sure they're SAT scores were below par.
Colleges should look into the light && see that SAT doesn't fully measures smarts</p>
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2000 is more or less the point where you should not really be expecting to get in ** unless you are URM or have done something absolutely spectacular etc.**
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<p>i didn't explicitly mention athletes but yes...that goes into the "etc."</p>
<p>Unless you are a URM? Okay I'm happier now. I'm still thinking of taking it again though. But on the other hand I really don't want to sit in a room for another 5 hours. =/ What to do.</p>