<p>Columbia College: 8.7% (lower than all but H and Y, I think)
SEAS: 17.6% (lower than all engineering but MIT and possibly Caltech)</p>
<p>"SEAS: 17.6% (lower than all engineering but MIT and possibly Caltech)"</p>
<p>unlikely, very few schools publish acceptance rates for their individual engineering school, I imagine stanford's is lower. But perhaps noone else.</p>
<p>"Columbia College: 8.7% (lower than all but H and Y, I think)"</p>
<p>CC beat Yale last year, after waitlist activity H beat CC. </p>
<p>Columbia overall is 10.0%, we might have beaten princeton for the first time this year :)</p>
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<p>Except as you just mentioned before that, other schools don't pull out their engineering data. That includes Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth etc.</p>
<p>When you compare Columbia's numbers against other schools you have to combine CC and SEAS at the very least.</p>
<p>to be fair, other schools (except Cornell) don't have explicit engineering schools, with the self-selected applicant pools that come along with them. it's not disingenuous to compare admit rates across the liberal-arts colleges.</p>
<p>Well, the only schools you can compare CC directly to are Penn and Cornell CAS. (Penn also has a distinct engineering school if I'm not mistaken).</p>
<p>The other 5 ivies (particularly the ones in question here, HYP) have engineering programs, but they're all rolled into "the college" at the respective university. So if you're going to do a head to head with HPY, you have to use the combined statistics.</p>
<p>Also, though, you'd have to consider that Columbia has significantly more engineering students than HYP, Brown, Dartmouth, etc. So whereas HYP's higher engineering acceptance rates don't make a huge impact on acceptance rate, Columbia's number does.</p>
<p>ssnack is right - princeton is the only other "integrated" school which has a significant engineering population.</p>
<p>All I'm saying is that the programs exist. Just because they don't have as much of an impact on the rates at other schools doesn't mean you should discount them at Columbia.</p>
<p>That idea that Columbia should use one rate to compare against Cornell Penn and Princeton and another against the other 4 ivies strikes me as numbers manipulation worthy of a Wash U booster.</p>
<p>Question: does anyone know the acceptance rate of RD admits to Columbia College? Or is that getting too nit-picky?</p>
<p>Do you mean the enrollment rate?</p>
<p>The RD admit was 8.36% combined, 7.1% for CC and 15.3% for SEAS.</p>
<p>CC (Total - ED = RD)
Apps 19116 - 2162 = 16954
Admits 1660 - 455 = 1205</p>
<p>SEAS (Total - ED = RD)
Apps 3463- 420 = 3043
Admits 609 - 142 = 467</p>
<p>ED data taken from here: Early</a> Decision Admit Rates Fall | Columbia Spectator</p>
<p>actually, the fact that they don't have much impact on other schools' rates is EXACTLY WHY we do discount them at columbia. apples to apples.</p>
<p>Apples to apples then? We should go department by department and normalize across all schools to account for discipline differential between the humanities, social sciences, and natural sciences between the schools.</p>
<p>You just can't do it.</p>
<p>In terms of comparing school to school, the only numbers that matter are what it takes to become an undergraduate at said school. Of course there's a whole 'nother can of worms here (GS).</p>
<p>except you don't apply for specific majors in the us. they do that in the uk system, and compare rates like you described.</p>
<p>the thing with engineering schools is that applicants tend to self select, so they distort the numbers that show "what it takes to become an undergraduate". this doesn't happen so much at cas (except chicago) which is why the value of that rate is more consistent across schools.</p>
<p>Leaving HY aside, in order to get a meaningful comparison against P, which not only has over 150 engineering majors a year, but is considered a better engineering school than Columbia, you'd need to use the combined rate, correct? But then you'd use a different rate against HY? Does P use a different rate against HY?</p>
<p>penn isn't considered better engineering than columbia. take us news ratings with a grain of salt, but for graduate engineering:</p>
<p>cornell > princeton > columbia > harvard > penn</p>
<p>he meant princeton, point proven</p>
<p>WOW... 7.1% RD for CC... that's comparable to Harvard.</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>HYP really are liberal arts schools, so directly can be compared with CC. For Pton, compare CC+SEAS combined rate. For Cornell and Penn, separate school rates.</p>
<p>Could these low numbers possibly mean...more room for transfer students?!</p>
<p><em>crosses fingers.</em></p>