<p>Seems to be a number of ppl who are Barnardphobic....</p>
<p>Similar issue between SEAS and CC?</p>
<p>Nope. Everyone understands that engineering schools are more selective than liberal arts schools by nature, which is why SEAS maintains a significantly higher and narrower SAT range (somewhere along the lines of 1450-1550) than CC (about 1360-1530). SEAS students also have the higher average GPA.
Think of it this way: do stupid kids apply to engineering? nope. Do stupid kids apply to the college? Plenty of them.
SEAS actually became the second most selective engineering school in the country this year (behind MIT) for undergraduate studies.</p>
<p>Barnard is a completely different school and a completely different story.</p>
<p>"Think of it this way: do stupid kids apply to engineering? nope."</p>
<p>You do realize that this statement is invalid right?</p>
<p>Fine, fine. That was a little extreme. But it's safe to say a lot more unqualified kids apply to CC than apply to SEAS.
Basically, the difference is that SEAS is more academically selective, while at CC, you have to do more to stand out in a larger crowd of applicants.</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity: Outside of the core, what % of SEAS student's courses are taken at Columbia College, on average? More than 30%? How much more?</p>
<p>And what % of Columbia College students' courses are taken at SEAS, on average? More than 30%?? </p>
<p>Just wondering. Surely they must have stats on this.</p>
<p>Anyone have a link?</p>
<p>Well it doesn't really work like that because classes aren't really separated as SEAS or CC classes...compared to, say, Columbia vs. Barnard classes. They're filed under departments though. But you can't really file most as under one school or another...for example, an OR major, under the IEOR department at SEAS, has at least 5 or 6 required courses under the Econ department.</p>
<p>I thought the classes were separated, at least in that they had different prefixes designating the college. And it's hard for me to believe the colleges don't track cross-enrollment, at least for internal cost & manpower allocation purposes.</p>
<p>You're saying that the data isn't made public, I guess.</p>
<p>Still, it would be interesting to me to see it, if someone finds a link.</p>
<p>It's not surprising there is variation in cross-enrollment patterns based on specific majors, and other preferences. But that's not to say that an aggregate % figure cannot be computed for SEAS as a whole, provided only that the data is reported someplace.</p>
<p>^It would probably get pretty tricky...I don't think there's any differentiation besides the department, and even with that, it's not completely divided between. For example, some of the Applied Math Courses and the Math Courses are exactly the same: same students, same teacher, same room same time...but students can either elect to have taken it as a course in Applied Math or the regular Math department.</p>
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Just out of curiosity: Outside of the core, what % of SEAS student's courses are taken at Columbia College, on average? More than 30%? How much more?</p>
<p>And what % of Columbia College students' courses are taken at SEAS, on average? More than 30%??
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<p>CC students likely take no SEAS classes.</p>
<p>I don't really think there is such a thing as a "CC class." A class taught by the faculty of Arts & Sciences isn't a "CC class." SEAS students take a ton of classes taught by the faculty of arts & sciences -- Core classes, their basic calculus, chem, physics, bio, econ classes, liberal arts electives, etc.</p>
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Well it doesn't really work like that because classes aren't really separated as SEAS or CC classes...compared to, say, Columbia vs. Barnard classes. They're filed under departments though. But you can't really file most as under one school or another...for example, an OR major, under the IEOR department at SEAS, has at least 5 or 6 required courses under the Econ department.
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<p>Correct.</p>
<p>Think of it this way: do men apply to Barnard? nope. Do men apply to the college? Plenty of them. ;)</p>
<p>You can't look at rates alone, though. Even if SEAS had the second lowest acceptance rate for engineering school, I think you'd be hard pressed to argue it's more difficult to get into than Caltech or Princeton Engineering (do they even release separate stats?). It's difficult, sure, but perhaps this is more a result of the ED's 100% yield rather than simply extreme selectivity.</p>
<p>^Princeton's isn't a separate application/school, and SEAS is certainly not more selective than Caltech...no school in the country is more academically selective than Caltech...but it does have a lower acceptance rate.</p>
<p>I don't think you can define one school to be more "academically selective" than another, especially when you're only applying this notion to fields of engineering...</p>
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Think of it this way: do men apply to Barnard? nope. Do men apply to the college? Plenty of them.
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...do women apply to SEAS? Uh, not really...</p>
<p>:(</p>
<p>^i think it gets worse by your major denz...are there many girls in MechE/EE? no</p>
<p>are there a lot more in chemE/BME/EEE? better believe it</p>
<p>Ugh, the girls are the smart ones. I'm doing electric circuit homework right now and it's a nightmare.</p>
<p>Looks like Fu Foundation School undergrad is something like 27% female.</p>
<p>are there lots of female in SEAS chemE? Just wondering since I'm "hoping" to transfer there.</p>
<p>a lot? no. more than other majors? yes</p>
<p>The acceptance rate is twice that of CC because the kids are a self-selected group. Just look at Uchi. They have a near 40% acceptance rate, yet no one is going to say it is "lower" than lets say a tier II with a 30% acceptance rate.</p>