Columbia College vs. School of General Studies

<p>Yes, it did start that way, but it was “reorganized” in 1947, as your post states. To call it an extension school in its current form is inaccurate.</p>

<p>As AMorrison said, GS is integrated into other undergraduate school at Columbia. Though it was started as an extension program in 1831, GS has been recognized as a formal undergraduate college since 1947. [History</a> | General Studies](<a href=“http://www.gs.columbia.edu/gs-history]History”>http://www.gs.columbia.edu/gs-history)</p>

<p>GS is a liberal arts college, therefore, does not offer advanced business classes.</p>

<p>^^I think the best term is “cash cow”. It was reorganized so Columbia could make some money. Columbia’s still using GS to make money, through the lack of financial aid.</p>

<p>It’s kinda unfair if you think about. They pay the same as CC students, but don’t get true undergrad advising, housing, etc. (though it still bothers me that GS students live in Nussbaum :slight_smile: )</p>

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I think GS is not fully integrated into other undergrad schools are Columbia, because GS degree (english degree BA) is different from Columbia College degree (Latin AB degree). </p>

<p>GS diploma is different from CC diploma, and many CC courses are not available to GS students.</p>

<p>I only got the phone call this morning, so I guess my admission packet will be coming soon. I’ll check it out</p>

<p>As a matter of fact, CC is the only undergraduate school at Columbia which grants Latin AB Degree. SEAS produces English B.S. [The</a> Bachelor of Science Degree | SEAS Bulletin](<a href=“http://bulletin.engineering.columbia.edu/bachelor-science-degree]The”>The Bachelor of Science Degree | Bulletin | Columbia Engineering) I am not sure what led to your conclusion that GS in not integrated into other schools because of the difference of diploma.</p>

<p>In addition, almost all of the undergraduate classes are open to both CC and GS students. One of the exceptions is University Writing, of which CC and GS each has its own course. (CC students cannot take GS writing course, and vice versa)</p>

<p>Course number that begins with C is open only for CC students, and F is for GS students only.
[Key</a> to Course Listings | General Studies](<a href=“http://www.gs.columbia.edu/key-course-listings]Key”>http://www.gs.columbia.edu/key-course-listings)
[Fall</a> 2010 Department: English and Comparative Literature](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/sel/ENCL_Fall2010.html]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/sel/ENCL_Fall2010.html)</p>

<p>Hi, does anybody know something about the GS’s financial aid deadlines? I receive my acceptance call yesterday, but didn’t apply for a GS scholarship, and didn’t submit the FAFSA yet (my application was re-dated from 2009). Their website says that the deadline for the GS Scholarship Application and the FAFSA is June 1. Does this mean that I have to submit these two applications as soon as possible, or should I wait for the acceptance package? Thank you, guys.</p>

<p>Hi, guys</p>

<p>From your experiences, is it the longer you wait, less likely you will be admitted? it seems like they send out or call or email to the accepted applicants first. does that mean after they are done sending out acceptances first, then every else left are rejected?
thanks</p>

<p>don’t sweat it. you’ll be fine.</p>

<p>eugeneor, it’s not correct that C classes are CC only. As a bio major at GS, all of my mandatory classes are C classes as determined by the biology department of CU. <a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/pages/undergrad/cur/majors/gsbiomajor.html[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/pages/undergrad/cur/majors/gsbiomajor.html&lt;/a&gt; (GS bio major) as compared to <a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/pages/undergrad/cur/majors/biomajor.html[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/biology/pages/undergrad/cur/majors/biomajor.html&lt;/a&gt; (CC bio major)</p>

<p>The only non-C classes I have are W classes (that CC students would be taking as well) and one F class (University Writing).</p>

<p>hi, sphelthead</p>

<p>Sorry, but I am not sure what you mean by I will be fine? Meaning I will be fine even I got rejected, or it doesn’t mean anything, when I don’t hear from them after 8 weeks submitting my app. I am so worried, and every time I call they tell me am still under review.</p>

<p>Yeah, Zhazhao, I am also damned so worried. Do you really think if we have not been notified yet, we will get rejected??? Well, if we r still under review, i think that should be fine, right?:(</p>

<p>Hello everyone, I was admitted to GS and I received my acceptance package on Friday(6/4). As I read the different forms in it, I noticed that the deadline for financial aid was June 1 for fall 2010. Unfortunatly, I didn’t fill out the forms at the time alloted. Is there any chance that they would still let me apply for financial aid and the GS scholarship? Also, does anyone have a clue on how to preapre for the ECT exam?
Thanks guys.</p>

<p>does GS require you to take ECT? I took ECT before I apply to GS. I don’t know what you can do to prepare for the test, because there is no studying material,my writing topic I have to choose one from the two topics. you will get a booklet to write on so make sure you write neatly. We started with the writing first, the rest of the test will be on computer,they will send you a link to your email. It’s not very difficult.</p>

<p>Is anyone here waiting on Regular Decision for Fall 2010? It didn’t seem like anyone on the GS Board was. I got all materials in last week and am in major Waiting Game mode.</p>

<p>In order to end any debate about C vs F section classes.</p>

<p>C level classes are under the “Columbia College” division, but are open to enrollment by all students from Columbia College, Engineering and Applied Science, General Studies, School of Continuing Education, Barnard as shown here [Fall</a> 2010 Biology C2005 section 001](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/BIOL/C2005-20103-001/]Fall”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/bulletin/uwb/subj/BIOL/C2005-20103-001/)</p>

<p>If you’d like to see more examples, you can click “home” at the bottom, and then look through the directory of courses alphabetically. Once you find one to your liking, you can click on the section number in order to bring yourself to the next page, which will list the types of students that the class is open for enrollment to, under “Open To”.</p>

<p>Even C level University Writing is open to GS students. The only thing here is that GS requires its students to take the F section University Writing as a matter of graduation requirement. Aside from that, you can take any C section classes you like in order to fulfill your graduation requirements. As a matter of fact, many CC, SEAS, GS, SCE, and BC students will need to take a varying number of W (interfaculty courses) for some of their major requirements anyways.</p>

<p>To clarify about any distinction vs integration issue between Columbia College and GS. Is it not true in our world that two contradictory facts can both be held true simultaneously? Take China for example. Is China rich or poor? Strong or weak? The answer to both those questions is “yes”. Likewise, is Columbia College and GS distinct or integrated? The answer is yes. Columbia College students should have pride in the fact that they’ve delayed gratification during high school in order to bust their asses and get into such a great university. Likewise, GS students should have pride in the fact that, despite any obstacles (whether financial, personal, or otherwise) they’ve faced in life during/after high school, or decisions they’ve in life that took them off the track of academia, that they’ve earned the privilege of attending such a distinguished institution of higher education as Columbia University.</p>

<p>In terms of integration, as I’ve already clarified in another thread, C classes (which fall under the Columbia College division) are open to all students from Columbia College, Engineering and Applied Science, General Studies, School of Continuing Education, and Barnard. Further elaboration is provided at this link. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-school-general-studies/940792-order-lay-rest-any-concerns-about-c-division-vs-f-division-courses.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-school-general-studies/940792-order-lay-rest-any-concerns-about-c-division-vs-f-division-courses.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>In terms of distinctions, the two institutions are separate in administrative and legal matters. Rather than a weakness, this should be seen as a strength, as Columbia College is certainly not perfect about making all the right decisions for maintaining and improving the quality and standing of the school. The benefits of autonomy can clearly be seen by a real-world example of Taiwan vs China. Certainly, it’s Taiwan that has made the “right” decisions when it comes to providing a better balance of liberty vs security, for example.</p>

<p>Hi All,</p>

<p>Did someone got a response from the GS? My app’ was processed on April 18 and I still didn’t hear anything. Also, they were saying it’s under review with the second committee; anyone knows what that means?</p>

<p>well, I am waiting too, although they did not say with whom just told me that I am under review. I submitted every thing a week ahead of you. so I guess just keep on waiting.</p>

<p>good luck</p>

<p>Where do you go to school Zhazhao?</p>