Med school no longer in top 10 and wildly overtaken by NYU Langone. Business School keeps falling and now at 9. Law School overtaken again by UChicago. The trajectory is negative and worrisome. Columbia needs to get its Mojo back.
If they have increased their enrollment numbers, it has a negative effect for multiple ranking indicators.
Such inflammatory, overblown statements. NYU Med has never before been ranked in the top 5 in recent memory. One year means nothing. As for law school one position still doesn’t mean anything. Columbia has long been considered the bona fide #4 law school after HYS and its NYC location renders it unbeatable against the non-HYS law schools. Now the business school has been considered a lower top 10 b-school for sometime now. Never been on par with HSW but it is part of the M7.
I browsed the bloomegr/bus week ranking and saw that Stanford was 5th and Kellogg 8th which make these rankings pretty useless. Graduates from two schools ahead of Stanford, Chicago and MIT would admit Stanford is better than the schools they attended.
Agree with penn95, is it a trend or not, even then it would have be over five or ten years to really change perception which is really what these rankings are about.
Booth has been ahead of Stanford B School for a while now. What worries me about Columbia is that All 3 or uts key professional schools are downward sloping. Law school just in top 5. B school bottom of top 10 and Medicine 11. Chicago continues to slide big time in Medicine, but elite in B and law.
Let’s just say that I know some of the things Chicago alums have done to influence the rankings. And even if Booth has been ahead of Stanford in the rankings, that doesn’t mean it’s better. I don’t know any industry where Stanford b-school grads are left out, I do know one where Chicago would be - high tech venture capital where pretty much Harvard and Stanford MBAs get the money. That may have changed a little now, and btw this was told to me by a Wharton grad who said he couldn’t get in to talk with a equity firm because they told him he did not have a Harvard or Stanford MBA.
With b-school rankings, Columbia has not cracked the top-5 consistently enough, to be concerned with being between 6 and 11, which is their natural place. The top 3 as penn95 says are HSW, 4-5, Kellogg, Booth. 6-11, is usually some combo of Columbia, MIT, Duke, Tuck, Ross, Haas. For b-schools, the departmental rankings which business week used to do (not sure bloomberg does it) may be more illuminating.
@Chrchill You post negative comments on many boards. Glad you are worried about the rankings, but there are so many you can take your pick.
@exlibris97 I post objective facts and my own views. And they are certainly not all negative. Moreover, as a holder of a Columbia graduate degree and a contributing alumnus, I have every right to express concern.
@Chrchill Objective? If you say so. And if you did go to Columbia, I would hope you would know better to fixate on the rankings especially as they measure many non academic things. But enjoy!
OP, you are assuming theses rankings have any meaning between two schools in the top 20, especially for grad schools. There is mojo to be lost or found. The only exception would be found in data showing Columbia is losing accepted applicants and to whom. Those are not published save for in academic pieces using data that is 5-10 years old.If you are in any of the three professional grad schools at Columbia, you have summited Mt Olympus.
@InlandNW big difference between bottom ten in top twenty and top ten and even bigger difference between top,five and the rest. Columbia has been trending in the wrong direction.
and how is complaining about an elite, first world problem going to change anything? really?
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@menloparkmom and how is what you are saying even remotely relevant to the price of eggs …