Columbia relationship

Colleges and Universities A-Z Barnard College
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<p>i am currently a junior at barnard, and came as a transfer student after my freshman year. i’m going to try and address a couple different issues being discussed here:</p>

<p>in terms of access to columbia’s facilities, there is no distinction made between CC, BC, GS, and SEAS as far as i know. barnard students have full access to all libraries, the gym, and lerner (the student center)…i myself have never had any trouble gaining access to any columbia facility. the one exception to this rule, as was previously mentioned, is that barnard students don’t have access to columbia dorms and vice versa. this is actually a bigger deal than it may seem to be, since if you have CC friends it is kind of a pain to have to get signed into a dorm. but in the grand scheme of things, i’d say there’s virtually no difference between BC and CC in this regard.</p>

<p>in terms of the overall relationship between BC and CC students, there is a wide range of emotions and opinions. i have found that the younger (and more immature) students are the ones that tend to most often stress the separation and inequality between BC and CC. honestly, in my opinion, it is what you make of it. if you are insecure about going to barnard, you might experience some condescension and actually take it to heart. but for to personally, CC students that look down upon BC students are fully ridiculous and (again, opinion) jealous.</p>

<p>so yes, you will probably meet people who make a point of “hating on” barnard. but they are probably not worth your time. i happen to prefer barnard over columbia–the personal attention you receive here as a student and an individual is worlds better than on the other side of broadway–and feel that i have the best of both worlds studying simultaneously at a small all-womens college and a large research university.</p>

<p>i know this sounds cheesy and may not be helpful at the moment, but the barnard-columbia relationship is really what you make of it. i am a member of a greek organization at columbia, live in columbia housing, take mainly columbia courses, and have a group of friends that is composed mainly of columbia undergrads. this does not make me a self-hating barnard student (especially because i love barnard!)–all i’m trying to show you is that yes, barnard and columbia students can get along, and all the hype you hear about barnard’s inferiority is of no consequence even if it WERE true because you have equal access to columbia’s classes and facilities.</p>

<p>sorry this is so long–let me know if there are any other questions i can try to answer for you!</p>

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<p>Thanks for posting, Roci! It’s always preferable to hear it from an actual current student rather than a “mom” like me. I know you are very busy (are you finished with finals??) and I appreciate your taking the time to help out here! Stick around!!!</p>

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Barnard are not allowed in CC/SEAS’ pre-med, pre law advisor, and career services offices. Many top bank and consulting firms recruit through only CC/SEAS career services office. Columbia Alumni job database are not allowed to Barnard graduates/student. Barnard don’t get Columbia’s Alumni E-mail account and not allowed in alumni events and job networkings… and etc…</p>

<p>Barnard students/alumni have no access to CC/SEAS social/job networking events and web database.</p>

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<p>On the other hand, Barnard students are capable of writing grammatically correct English sentences, including mastery of the use definite articles and of singular vs. plural. It is amazing how many top employers value this skill and will reject resumes out of hand when the cover letter is filled with usage errors.</p>

<p>Barnard, of course, offers its own advising, career office, and networking opportunities.</p>

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<p>I can’t say anything about the job/networking events at Columbia (I only finished my first year!) but we do have access to Lionshare, the Columbia job database. However, I’ve found it less useful than the Barnard job database (it’s too finance-focused), so they’re best used in conjunction with each other rather than as replacements.</p>

<p>I found one of my internships for this summer through Barnard eRecruiting and the other through my English seminar professor. :slight_smile: At the one I found at eRecruiting, I’m working with a bunch of Columbia Master’s grads and they’re pretty happy to have a Barnard woman on the team.</p>

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<p>zzgirl – Are you a Barnard student? You are misinformed. Although Barnard students are not supposed to use Columbia Career Services for counseling, we can go to CC/CU-based social/ job-networking events and use the web database (I think our access to the web database may be limited, though). For example, I can use lionshare, and once got an internship there (which I turned down for one I got through Barnard, BTW!) and I can see and RSVP to the job-networking events on it.</p>

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<p>Barnard students can see available jobs on LionSHARE, but they are prevented from submitting their resumes to employers. Similarly, they are invited to recruiting events on campus but prohibited from participating in on-campus interviews.</p>

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<p>Barnarc gradutes also don’t get Columbia U Alumni job database, because they can not get Columbia U alumni accounts and alumni e-mail accounts.</p>

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<p>OP: If NYU appeals to you more by all means choose it. The Barnard women I have known have adored their school, do not want to be Columbia College students, do not fret because they don’t have access to the Columbia alumni database, and would not trade their experience for the experience of an NYU student or a Columbia College student.</p>

<p>Debating this minute points of the “status” of Barnard students vis a vis Columbia seems silly.</p>

<p>If a woman secretly wants to be a Columbia student Barnard is not the right college. </p>

<p>That said, none of the Barnard women I knew wanted to be a Columbia College student or an NYU student.</p>

<p>Barnard is not “the back door” to Columbia, it is a wonderful institution in its own right (as is Columbia) with much going for it.</p>

<p>I can say without any hesitation that when I attended my D’s Barnard graduation I was thrilled that she had attended Barnard and not Columbia. The values of feminism and female empowerment were in evidence throughout the day. As a feminist and a college professor, I found this very gratifying. I am sure there was not one young woman graduating who sat there thinking, “I wish I was graduating from Columbia.” Nor was she thinking, “Gee, I should have gone to NYU.”</p>

<p>OP: If you are thinking NYU is more attractive, I would not dissuade you. By all means, make every effort to attend. A close friend of my D’s did attend NYU. She had a very different experience there, but she was very satisfied with her education also.</p>

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<p>Does a Barnard diploma also have Columbia on it?</p>

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<p>@dcopy - No, at least the first part of that is not true. The second part, I don’t know either way yet. We can both view and apply to jobs via Lionshare. I just did an application for a fall internship this morning. All we have to do is upload documents and click the ‘apply’ button. Sometimes, it will prevent you from doing so if you don’t qualify because of your major or grade level.</p>

<p>As for on-campus interviews, is there a Barnard student who can answer this one? </p>

<p>@chinablue - This has been discussed (and fought over) before. If you do a search, you can find a link to an actual diploma. Basically, it’s in Latin, says Columbia University at the top and is signed by both the Barnard and Columbia presidents. </p>

<p>@mythmom - 100% in agreement. The overwhelming majority people of people love their own college and couldn’t imagine themselves elsewhere. I know it’s true of me. :)</p>

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<p>@A Persona - What I said was the situation at least until the spring semester last year. Things may be different now. Actually, Barnard career office provides better services for undergraduate students.</p>

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<p>“On the other hand, Barnard students are capable of writing grammatically correct English sentences…”</p>

<p>Calmom, loved your reply to zzgirl! Perfect. My d is considering applying to Barnard and it feels like a wonderful environment for her.</p>

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<p><a href=“https://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/lionlink/[/url]”>https://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/lionlink/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>LinkLink offers great networking opportunities for jobs, interships, graduate school informations…etc. for Columbia Undergraduates.</p>

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<p>I’m sure both schools have great resources. This is silly. Columbia is a great place, and Barnard is a great place too. A Barnard student is not a Columbia student, but she does have access to most of Columbia’s facilities and resources, most BUT NOT all.</p>

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<p>“LionLink is Columbia’s incredibly mediocre ‘private’ undergraduate facebook and directory… Looks like it was designed for an elementary school.”
[LionLink</a> - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/LionLink]LionLink”>LionLink (Facebook) - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)</p>

<p>(Just so everyone here understands what post #34 is about. “Lionlink” has nothing whatsoever to do with “Lionshare”.)</p>

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<p><a href=“https://coalesce.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/[/url]”>https://coalesce.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Another e-community for Columbia Undergraduates</p>

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<p>[Columbia</a> Connection - The site for all alumni of Columbia University](<a href=“http://alumni.columbia.edu/]Columbia”>http://alumni.columbia.edu/)
This website also offers excellent supports for Columbia Undergraduates… including
lifelong E-mail account.
Unfortunately, Barnard graduates can NOT join this Columbia Alumni Association.</p>

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<p>Can we please retire this thread? If not, maybe we can take it to the Columbia forum.</p>

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<p>Oh, and to be clear, my daughter, a Barnard alum, would not find it unfortunate she can’t join anything zzgirl can come up with. She is very content with her experience and her resources.</p>

<p>Why is this continuing?</p>