<p>zzgirl, what’s your problem? Barnard students have their own alumni network via the Barnard Alumni Association. In case you haven’t noticed, there is an “e-community” called Facebook and another called Linked In and that’s pretty much where it is at these days. </p>
<p>Also, from the link you provided to the Columbia alumni web site, I found that a Barnard grad is seems to be the President of a Columbia Alumni Club in Florida, so it seems that they can join if they want. But I didn’t really look around very long because the Columbia alumni web site seemed kind of drab and hard to navigate. Barnard alumni website at [Barnard</a> College - Alumnae Network](<a href=“http://alum.barnard.edu/s/1133/start.aspx]Barnard”>http://alum.barnard.edu/s/1133/start.aspx) seems much friendlier & easy to use. I’ve been getting mail and a magazine from the Barnard Alumni Association for several years now – I guess they automatically add parents to their list – and they are very active. I live on the west coast but I am always getting notices of various activities scheduled out here.</p>
<p>It seems that you’ve got some kind of obsession with a lot of trivial things. I’m guessing you are pretty young because you certainly seem quite immature & unsophisticated. For example, you’ve made a big deal over whether Barnard students can get the Columbia alumni email. My daughter was issued a columbia.edu email when she enrolled at Barnard, but she’s never used it – she only uses her barnard.edu email for campus communications. Everyone uses gmail these days, and its been that way for several years. The only other thing I’ve seen my kids use is their work emails. </p>
<p>If you are a student who will be attending Columbia next year, then congratulations. I hope you will be able to make some friends on your campus. If not… then why are you posting here? Its pretty obvious that you don’t really know anything about Barnard or Columbia beyond what is posted on the web sites… so what’s your point?</p>
<p>Yes, Barnard is an independent college affiliated with Columbia University. But the legal relationship goes much deeper, and the reality is far from the “totally separate” idea that zzgirl is spinning. Under the terms of the affiliation, all degrees for Barnard students (and for CC students, for that matter) are granted by Columbia University, and a Barnard degree is institutionally recognized as being of “equal value with” a Columbia College degree. Barnard faculty is recognized as a “University” faculty and members are tenured by the University. Barnard administration, faculty and students are representated in the University Senate. This is not Barnard promotional literature I’m citing – it’s all taken from the Columbia University Statutes (the equivalent of the University charter and bylaws). The terms of the affiliation (which have been in place for over a century now) are set forth pretty clearly in articles 20, 21, 24, 30 and 230-239. Here’s a link if you’re interested:</p>
<p>As noted elsewhere, the BC and CC diplomas are essentially identical (one countersigned by the Barnard President, the other by the CC dean), and they are conferred simultaneously at a Universitywide commencement. The Columbia Club of NYC and the Columbia University Arts League each admit BC graduates, but clearly most of the placement office and alumni activities are handled separately for BC and CC grads (as are admissions, of course). But other than that (and registration in each school’s peculiar first year core courses), there’s no difference at all in terms of academic, athletic, social and extracurricular life as far as I can tell. Other than, of course, zzgirl’s apparent grudge against the audacity of Barnard students to feel a (very well deserved) sense of being part of the Columbia University community (a grudge which gladly is not shared by most CC students and grads).</p>
<p>It’s a complicated relationship to be sure, but it’s been there for over a century and isn’t going to change. Had this been an issue for zzgirl, she might have been happier going elsewhere for college. They’re different institutions, and yet part of a common academic and athletic consortium (on the latter point, the NCAA recognizes all sports teams – even in men’s sports – as competing technically under the “Columbia University/Barnard College Consortium” banner, which you can look up on the NCAA website if you’re really obsessed). But that’s an issue for another hundred or so emails should zzgirl wish to pursue it.</p>
<p>^ agree. Seriously just end it. Once you get to college you’ll forget about all of this stupid drama. In the end… it could be annoying for Barnard girls to have immature Columbians constantly insulting them for stupid reasons or it could be annoying to Columbians when Barnard girls hide the fact that they’re from Barnard and say they’re part of Columbia University. Once you get your diplomas and have been through an amazing 4 years, everything’s finalized and ended. And to the opener, khmthuer or however you spell your name… you seem intent on demeaning Columbian students. From my observation, YOU have nothing better to do but stalk the Columbia University college confidential thread and are being immature about it. Grow up and learn to enjoy Barnard or have a horrid time. It’s your choice.</p>
<p>I did not mean for it to come off that way at all. When I referred to earlier threads I meant that on both sides. People who have copied things from juicy campus do both barnard and columbia students a disservice.
You are both correct (two above posters), I am just going to move on from this site and enjoy college next year as a Barnard student.
How do I delete my account?</p>
<p>There are many false informations on #43 and #44. After 4 years, Barnard graduates
are NOT allowed to join Columbia Alumni Association and thus no longer receive any support from Columbia University. CC/SEAS graduates are welcome to join Columbia Alumni Association and receive full alumni suport such as career services, graduate applications etc… Sons and Daughters of CC/SEAS graduates even get preferential treatment (legacy) when applying to Columbia UG.</p>
<p>I was referring to Jennifer Gale '05 BC, President of the Columbia University Club of the Palm Beaches, which is clearly listed on the site that you linked to.</p>
<p>But I guess reading comprehension is not your strong point, right?</p>
No, Barnard students get Columbia UNIVERSITY email accounts. It looks like this: LL####@columbia.edu<br>
People who know the system can recognize those as Barnard addresses, because the Columbia students have emails that look like LLL#####@columbia.edu (3 letters rather than 2) – but my daughter’s Barnard roommate had a 3-letter columbia.edu email address so its not a hard & fast rule. </p>
<p>I still don’t understand why anyone would WANT an alumni email… I think those are “vanity” things that alumna associations try to to sell, but its not useful for much else.</p>
<p>None of your familiy members have access to Columbia Alumni Association. How do you know if it is useful if you don’t even know what is in there ?</p>
<p>zzgirl, what makes you think that I don’t have family members who attended Columbia?</p>
<p>And what’s the difference between a university club & an alumni association. Do you understand that ALL schools have alumni associations? Alumni associations send out a ton of mail asking for money and periodically schedule various events, including reunions. They are all the same. </p>
<p>You know, you really come off as foolish making such a huge deal over something that no one gives a rat’s ass about. Seriously. There is not one person attending Columbia who chose that school over any other because they wanted to be able to join its alumni association. </p>
<p>NO no… you don’t understand. Each columbia school has its own alumni association.
I am talking about Columbia ‘UNIVERSITY’ alumni association (CAA), which includes all of Columbia schools, (excluding Barnard, which is only an affiliate of Columbia). and
Columbia Alumni E-mail account is needed to acces this. </p>
<p>You don’t even know what it is.</p>
<p>University club is not alumni association. Anyone can join Univeristy Club (incuding staff). CU Alumni association is for Columbia graduates only.</p>
<p>When I took my APS a few months ago, my school made me write down the CODE of the college that I’m going to attend in the fall. I looked for Barnard of course. In this booklet, Barnard had its own individual section as well as a place under the COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY category. </p>
<p>Barnard - 2038</p>
<p>blah bl</p>
<p>blah
blah</p>
<p>Columbia University
BARNARD COLLEGE - 2038
SEAS
COLUMBIA COLLEGE</p>
<p>blha blah blah</p>
<p>Also, I don’t know if you guys live in NYC, but a college called POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY has recently (a few years ago) been affiliated with NYU, too. However, Polytech was not under the NYU category in my booklet. </p>
<p>Remember, this booklet was published by COLLEGEBOARD.</p>
<p>Lovers of Barnard: I don’t think debating withe zzgirl will yield results. I think I have met this poster before under a different name. I would let the thread die.</p>
<p>However, of course, you may feel differently.</p>
<p>You’ve lost all credibility and no one cares what you think any more. If your latest post is attempting to “prove” that Barnard graduates do not receive Columbia University B.A. degrees, then you’re very mistaken, as thousands of Barnard alumni will attest. You seem motivated in all of your postings not by a desire to inform but rather to destroy, and in this you have revealed your vast ignorance and insecurity. We all concede that Barnard and Columbia College grads use their own respective alumni associations and placement offices and have their own lifetime email accounts. Was this your point all along, or is there something deeper driving you on this vendetta? </p>
<p>Columbia ““UNIVERSITY”” alumni association (CAA) is for graduates of CC/SEAS, GS, GSAS LAW MEDICINE etc. ( and it is not open to Barnard. ) Its purpose is to unite all of individual schools alumni association so that all of Columbia graduates from different schools can interact each other. I just want to inform these facts to the poster, who was asking the difference between Barnard College and Columbia U. </p>
<p>And why are you always so defensive ? and many of thedonald’s info is false.</p>
<p>NO no, YOU don’t understand. No one gives a crap about any “alumni association.” Alumni associations from ALL schools have a really tough time getting their grads to even open their incessant mail, much less pay an annual membership fee. </p>
<p>You obviously have NO CLUE about the Columbia and Barnard campuses, their students, what student life is like, OR what college students care about. You are posting incessantly about something trivial and every post reinforces the impression that you are incredibly uninformed and naive.</p>
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But it doesn’t work that way, because hardly anyone joins and the web site for the Columbia alumni association is rudimentary. </p>
<p>In the real world, circa 2009, everyone uses Facebook. </p>
<p>And every single Barnard student who ever joined Facebook is on the Columbia network.</p>
<p>Let my try to explain something to you: after people who have actually attended college graduate, they want to keep in touch with their friends from college. Their “friends” are all the people they actually knew and hung around with socially. There is absolutely no physical separation between Barnard and Columbia - students attend the same classes, participate in the same clubs, eat in the same dining halls, and after the first year often even live in the same dorms. So there is no line between Columbia/Barnard in terms of “friends from college”. That’s why an “alumni association” is not a big deal - no one is particularly interested in meeting new people from their college after they graduate. They all go off to grad school or get jobs and that’s where they meet new people. They are interested in keeping in touch with the people they already knew.</p>