Columbia's Inferiority Complex

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<p>I was referring to the admissions statistics that may have been on page 2.</p>

<p>I didn't say anything about diversity. I just think there's a reason that H students got into Harvard, and it wasn't just a crap schoot. Een if that's not the case, I don't think this assertion is correct: "But a majority of students at either of those schools was rejected from not only the other 2 members of HYP, but also Columbia."</p>

<p>The difference between Harvard Extension School and General Studies is that General Studies is a full fledged full time school of students who study in the same classes as CC students with the Columbia Faculty of Arts and Sciences and recieve the same exact degree as we do (BA) except its not in latin. HES by contrast is a night school program that leads to a different degree than what Harvard College students get. only 60% of the HES faculty are even affiliated with Harvard itself. And students can't take regula H classes or transfer to Harvard College. The Columbia equivalent of HES is Columbia's School of Continuing Education.</p>

<p>As for the whole Barnard thing... its incredibly ambiguous. If you think it's cut and dry in either direction, you're mistaken I think. I have my own personal opinion on the matter but that's not the point- Barnard bashing exists. CC freshman talking smack about SEAS exists. Complaining about GS exists. Vocal GS and BC resentment exists. As I mentioned we're not a happy unified family- we have an asian sibling, a step-sister, and black sheep cousin.</p>

<p>Yeah I hate trolls too. The only way to fight is with facts- so it doesn't help when the facts are murky and you have parents jumping in with their own opinions etc... It's a pain.</p>

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<p>Skraylor, the first line of Confucian's post is the most salient: don't feed the trolls.</p>

<p>You're perpetuating a thread we all agreed was a travesty in the first place. Just stop.</p>

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<p>Denzera, you have no idea how many years in the trenches it took to learn that cardinal rule...</p>

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<p>it hurts to let blatantly wrong posts go unanswered tho. i'll stop but not because i want to or should for that matter</p>

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<p>...is Caltech.</p>

<p>(since you asked)</p>

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<p>Good boy skraylor :)</p>

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<p>no, im sorry but i cant let this go without saying something:</p>

<p>1)all you did was prove what i said, that columbia is in fact in the top bracket of things. if you want to go by ranking and ranking alone, that is your prerogative but i notice that you make up your own list for teaching so you obviously think there is something more to the "quality" of an institution aside from its numbers (money, awards, etc)</p>

<p>2) oh yes, all 2-3% differences in yield mean sooo much!! [/end sarcasm again]</p>

<p>3) sorry, i used the 2005 numbers, which, in fact, MIT only had about 1B more. if, however, you want to go into arguing numbers then lets take that 22k and look at who uses research money: law kids? not really. med students? only the research ones, not so much the primary care ones. masters degree candidates? only if doing a thesis (i.e. more than 1 year) business kids? debatable, depends on what exactly you are doing. sure you can these things to pick apart ALL the schools but my point has been and will remain that the few 1000's of dollars/student don't make that much of a difference.</p>

<p>4) once again you only prove columbia is in the top tier which is what i argued anyways. and once again my point stands that if you go only by USNews, well, then i dont really believe you are worth arguing with.</p>

<p>and because you have interviewed people that means you have the knowledge to talk about certain schools? HA! by that logic, i have the knowledge to talk about all the ivies plus every other major school in the US because i have facebook friends in them! you really feel that an hour or 2 interview means anything substantiative? no, don't be foolish. an interview reflects the person, not the school. a school can't teach what you interview for, those are inherent things [or learned i supppose but not from classes/community]</p>

<p>and you want to know my basis for comparisons of yale (since that was the only one i really used)? how about visiting it almost every other weekend for 2 years? how about having almost as many friends there as i do at columbia? if you'll notice, i didnt say anything about the teaching there since i never had a class there. i did, however, speak about the distribution of kids on fin.aid in dorms which i did notice and is really a fairly widely known thing there.</p>

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<p>sorry to disappoint denz and Cnem, but i couldnt let it go</p>

<p>that will be my last post tho since im going to stop reading this thread since it just serves to **** me off</p>

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<p>Gaah, I can't help it! <em>obligatory comment on Barnard girls who may own Columbia shirts</em> Clearly totally different, though, since no Barnard students have friends or family at Columbia. And never wear actual Barnard shirts. And are generally monsters.</p>

<p>Also, Harvard definitely doesn't have a "poor dorm" as someone suggested. Don't know about other schools.</p>

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<p>One more thing:
red&blue...good job on being incredibly inconsistent and just picking the individual rankings that are most suited to your point.
"Hmm...Penn is high on USNews here, so I'll use rankings by X for this one, and look...Columbia is low here...so I'll use rankings by Y for this one."
And in general, USNews really isn't "the source" for graduate rankings like it is for undergrad.</p>

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<p>from an international student's perspective, the super elites are HYPMS. The rest are perceived to be below these five schools, no matter what the reality of the situation is.</p>

<p>Just a penny for my thought.</p>

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<p>Skraylor-</p>

<p>Again, you prove you can't read. Or perhaps my points are too subtle for you.</p>

<p>I have always ackowledged on ALL of my posts that Columbia is a fine school. MY POINT is that Columbia is not--as you and S Snack claim - a full on rival to HYSPM (or Caltech for that matter). </p>

<p>In matters of academic firepower, financial resources or name recognition [and I ain't taking about Joe Q Public here], those five schools are miles ahead. Columbia's true "full-on" peers (similar strengths and weaknesses across the spectrum of all of its academic programs, research endeavors and key metrics) are Penn, Chicago and Duke....and maybe Cornell.</p>

<p>C is a great place, with immense strenths across the board. Just stop saying it's as good as Yale or better than Princeton. It makes you look foolish and seem desparate, especially when I can post statistic after statistic after statistic from multiple sources to prove you wrong. That's REALLY easy for me to do dood. And you can never do the same. Go figure.....</p>

<p>Finally, you say a few thousands per student don't matter...apparently, Columbia's board of trustees disagrees with you. That's why one of the key messages used in the ongoing capital campaign is the need to close that per student endowment gap. LOL</p>

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<p>I think I agree with denzera, we should let this thread die.</p>

<p>I can't possibly think of going anywhere other than columbia! I don't know what goes on at other schools,so I can't comment on other school, but I know that Columbia is perfect for me. </p>

<p>We have the lowest endowment per capita, so what? The last time I checked, I am still having a blast. New faculty coming , the capital campaign, it is exciting times to be at Columbia!</p>

<p>Add New York City to the mix, and I have to say I might have been a good person in my old life to deserve this!</p>

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<p>I don't think anyone claimed that Columbia is a full rival to HYPSM on the whole, ever.</p>

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<p>S Snack - until the new NRC rankings come out this fall, there is no clear set of rankings for all programs. US News is unfortunately the broadest set of rankings; they do have some merit to them, although I do recognize how flawed the charts are.</p>

<p>Anyway, Kudos to the dental schools for collectively saying "f**k off" to US News over 20 years ago. They don't have to put up with the insanity.</p>

<p>And for the record, I don't cherry pick rankings. If you have rankings, please share them. I treasure a good debate and love objective data. I have rarely seen you post anything substantive here besides your own thoughts and biases (and data that support your views)....</p>

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<p>a t-shirt can just mean "this is a school/place i like"....... it doesn't mean anything more..... they all probably have shirts from their own college as well.</p>

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<p>Wait, how come I never got a Columbia t-shirt. Someone let me know where they hand out these things.</p>

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<p>They hand them out at the bookstore. In exchange for a Jackson.</p>

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<p>Johnnyk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rednblue=posterx</p>

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<p>Facts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion>>>>>>>ego-bossting and self serving fabrications</p>