<p>With all congressional districts being about the same size, what is the average number of cadets of a competitive district and the average number from a less competitive one. Also, does anyone have a cadet appointment breakdown by district or even state?</p>
<p>Good question, but as I understand it, 100 members of each class may be appointed by the President, an undefined number from the VP, and then 5 per nominating source may be attending at any one time. 10 nominations may be put in for each vacancy. There are just so many variables that would effect this number each year. I know that our senators have the lists of nominees for the past few years still up online. You might do some research by googling USNA nominees. </p>
<p>This is the only blurb I could find quickly on the class of 2008:
Midshipmen were admitted from every state in the nation as well as Washington DC, Puerto Rico and Northern Marianas. The Class of 2008 also includes 17 international students from the following countries: Belize (2), Honduras, Lithuania, Pakistan (2), Peru (2), Phillipines (2), Romania (2), Singapore, Suriname, Taiwan, Thailand and Tunisia.</p>
<p>Same size? All of Alaska has one congressman at large. If we are talking about geographic area, well, that would mean that Don Young officiates over an are equal to roughly 2 Texas'. However, we only have a population of about 620,000. As counterintuitive as it may seem, it is actually very competitive due to the large number of military/prior military people living here. </p>
<p>Good Luck!</p>
<p>If there is an edit option, couldn't find it, sorry. </p>
<p>EDIT (in addition):</p>
<p>Better yet, could you tell me how competitive District 6 in NC is and how competitive North Carolina is in general? I am a bit worried because I know of 2 cadets from my high school and 1 from my old high school at Navy presently. All three are athletes. Just by eyeballing the district lines, it appears that there are 5 athletes from my district. I am not sure of non athletes from my district. Is this a good number for me or a bad number?</p>
<p>momof1, thanks for the info. Sorry for the confusion, but I meant same size as in population. :)</p>
<p>It looks like Coble had 3 appointments to USNA last year. That could be good or bad, seeing as how each can only have 5 in at a time. They could have gotten in on the Senatorial nominations, or presidentials. Anyway, here is the link</p>
<p>momof1 - </p>
<p>An MOC can have, technically, up to 50 appointments at one time. He has 10 nominations for each appointment; one of those 10 will be selected and charged to him. Others receiving nominations may also receive appointments via LOA's or if they are at the top of the national waitlist. Those additional appointments off of his slate are NOT charged to him.</p>
<p>As an example, our MOC typically gets 5-6 appointments out of his slate of 10 nominations each year (highly competitive district).</p>
<p>tuva
Students at the Naval Academy are referred to as "midshipmen". Those attending USMA are "cadets".</p>
<p>Do some research. Find out how many others on your MOC slate got appointments. Call the USNA parents' club in your area. They can give you an idea of how competitive your state, or even Congressional District is. Are there many Naval Stations, or large numbers of acitve/retired military residing there? </p>
<p>As Kate indicated, LOA do not count against a MOC's quota. Look to see how many of those receiving appointments are on the varsity teams.</p>
<p>In my son's case, the last person to pursue a service academy from his high school was appointed in 1987. On the surface, then, it would appear that the competition was low. Only when he interviewed for his nomination, did he realize the high level of competition he faced. Your competitors are the others on the MOC's slate! Unless you have an LOA, you have a 1 in 10 chance of an appointment (assuming the MOC does not rank nominees, which seems to be most common).</p>
<p>I say this not to scare you, but to prepare you.</p>
<p>Good Luck,
CM</p>
<p>"An MOC can have, technically, up to 50 appointments at one time."</p>
<p>Appointments or nominations? If you do your math, isn't that 500 nominations? Did you mean to say up to 50 nominations? </p>
<p>From the Naval Academy Candidate Book, by Smallwood...
"Each congressman has a quota of five who can be at the Naval Academy at any one time. Thus, each year a congressman will typically nominate ten candidates for one upcoming vacancy."</p>
<p>I submit that the MOC in your district doesn't actually have 5 or 6 appointments per year, since they can't possibly all be charged to him or her, but that the district may have that many, via the options we both mentioned, such as LOAs, Presidentials, VPs, etc. And how about those senators?</p>
<p>As an aside, last year when the nominations came out, we were surprised at how many of the nominees we knew, even though our state is so huge! They had all competed in the same club sport and were all top caliber. Also, our son's name appeared on all three nomination lists in January, even though he had received a Presidential appointment in December. That immediately narrowed the odds to 1 in 9 for each of the lists, rather than 1 in 10. </p>
<p>Just keep doing well, stay focused, and, as candidate mom said, do your research so you can speak intelligently about why you want to attend. And don't freak out about the numbers!</p>
<p>Thanks for the help everyone. I'll try to find some info from the parents' club. </p>
<p>I'm in a bad habit of saying cadet because I am in Army ROTC at my present college. I'll try not to use the "A" word too often :)</p>
<p>Who typically gets a LOA? What are the offered for? When are they given? </p>
<p>Also, in an earlier post on this thread, someone mentioned if there are Naval Stations and active/retired military personnell as being more competitive. I do live in one of these areas, in fact, probably the most competitive in regards to this. How does this affect me? </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>LOA are offered to candidates whom a service academy deems outstanding, and hopes to entice to accept the eventual appointment. They know that their competition for these candidates is typically the ivy leagues, which offer early acceptance (not to be confused with early decision). By offering the LOA, the candidate knows what other avenues are available, besides an ivy.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that sometimes if a congressional district is very competitive, and there are several very qualified candidates vying for the appointment, LOA will be issued so that more than one appointment can be made from a single slate of 10. (Remember that LOA do not count against a MOC's allocation).</p>
<p>Recruited athletes are often also given LOA.</p>
<p>As you have already surmised, living in an area of active/retired military results in increased competition. If you come from a military family, your parents (who can list whatever state they want to for their residency) might want to think about selecting a state of residence where the competition is not as rigorous. </p>
<p>If not, you can only do the best that you can, be the best you can be, aim high, but have plenty of back-up plans that would also provide an avenue to arrive at your ultimate goal.</p>
<p>Good Luck
CM</p>
<p>While I agree with Candidate Mom, I have to clear something up... My dad is active duty and because of that, I have another nomination path. However, my parents can not "choose" any state of residency (how I wish that were the case!!) Military members can remain a resident of the state they were when the signed up or they can choose to change to the state where new orders take them. But residency is not open to just any state. The competition is tough in areas with large military populations!</p>
<p>Okay, being in NC, I have Ft. Bragg about 2.5 hours away from my house. However, where I live doesn't seem to have a big military influence at all. I would assume most of the kids from Bragg would choose WP over Navy b/c of the rivalry. haha</p>
<p>I have a feeling that I'll be able to get things done to be able to be at Annapoils for the fall 2006.</p>
<p>e766:
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought that many career military chose Florida as their state of "residency" because there was no state income tax. It was my understanding (from relatives who were carreer military) that there were three options: the state one enlisted from, the state you currently were serving from, and state you wanted.</p>
<p>Since they have since retired, maybe the rules have changed, or I misunderstood.</p>
<p>tuva:
You will be competing with the entire state for the (10 each) senatorial nominations. Just do your best.
CM</p>
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Appointments or nominations? If you do your math, isn't that 500 nominations? Did you mean to say up to 50 nominations?
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Appointments. Technically, every nomination can become an appointment. </p>
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I submit that the MOC in your district doesn't actually have 5 or 6 appointments per year, since they can't possibly all be charged to him or her, but that the district may have that many, via the options we both mentioned, such as LOAs, Presidentials, VPs, etc. And how about those senators?
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Only 1 of those is charged to him, but the rest would not attend USNA without that nomination. LOA's require an MOC's nomination. So he actually has 5-6 per year, of which one is charged.</p>
<p>In some non-competitive areas, a candidate can receive multiple nominations (senators/representatives). In our area, this is "managed" by the admissions liaison to ensure the maximum number of applicants receive nominations - so double nominations are more rare.</p>
<p>I had trouble posting so I'm sorry if this comes through twice</p>
<p>I checked with my dad again and was told....
Many choose Florida and Texas (as well as a few others) because of no taxes. But you have to be assigned there first, fill out all the paperwork to change your residency, and then keep it. There is no requirement to ever change it again until you retire. My dad changed his residency to Texas 15 years ago and hasn't changed it since despite six more moves.<br>
I so wish we could change residency and not effect my parents taxes. The competition in Texas is fierce for all the academies because of all the retired and active military. It's even worse when you're a Texas resident not living in the state.</p>
<p>KateLewis,</p>
<p>I don't think we are differing over anything but the math. Did you really mean to say that your MOC could have 50 APPOINTMENTS in a year? Since each APPOINTMENT can have a maximum of 10 NOMINATIONS that would be 500 NOMINATIONS. I do not sincerely believe that this is the case, but I do believe that it is a disservice to let that stand since those who are applying may get a skewed sense of the numbers involved here. The number of vacancies dictates the number of nominations. 3 vacancies, 30 nominations. Great. Then 3 get in on the vacancies, 2 get LOAs, 1 gets a Presidential, whatever. They still come from that pool of 30, right? Am I just math retarded? I really don't believe there is any way an MOC could have 50 APPOINTMENTS in one year, much less 500 NOMINATIONS in one year.</p>
<p>I believe KateLewis was posing the hypothetical maximum. If all 5 of a given MOC's "slots" were open (which is highly unlikely unless if all of his previous appointments dropped out or graduated) then the MOC could nominate 10 for each "slot" = 50. Only 5 of those would get an appointment as that MOC's appointee, but the other 46 would go into the pool of candidates that the Academy draws on to fill the remaining vacancies at the Academy. A long shot, but theoretically possible.</p>
<p>Theory aside, I know that one of the Senator's from my state (one of the most competitive) actually had all 10 of those nominated by her to the Academy for the class of 2008 admitted.</p>
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Am I just math retarded? I really don't believe there is any way an MOC could have 50 APPOINTMENTS in one year
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:) No, you're not math-challenged, just takes some imagination. oiixxg has it right. It's a theoretical maximum - 50 max noms if all 5 spots open, with each of those noms converting to an appointment via 1 chargeable and 9 non-chargeable appts.</p>
<p>Okay, I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. What I did was make an equation out of the initial statement to come up with the 500. I believe that I said the same thing you are saying with the 30 nominations and then various people getting in in my post immediately prior to this. </p>
<p>This is the part that I am hung up on: If the person is nominated by senator x, and then is charged to senator y, how can it be said that it was senator x's appointment? What you are saying is that without the nomination, they would not have gotten the appointment in the first place, so you are crediting senator x with the appointment when it is charged to senator y? Is that right? Am I finally getting it? (clouds are parting and a ray of sunshine is breaking through...I think) And (pouting) I do have imagination...</p>
<p>(foot stamping) </p>
<p>so, may I beg a concession? </p>
<p>"I submit that the MOC in your district doesn't actually have 5 or 6 appointments per year, since they can't possibly all be charged to him or her, but that the district may have that many, via the options we both mentioned, such as LOAs, Presidentials, VPs, etc. And how about those senators?" Momof1</p>
<p>"Only 5 of those would get an appointment as that MOC's appointee, but the other 46 would go into the pool of candidates that the Academy draws on to fill the remaining vacancies at the Academy. A long shot, but theoretically possible." oiixxg</p>
<p>Hey, isn't that what I said? How come oiixxg gets to be right and I don't? :*(</p>