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i hope you don't actually believe this... perhaps that is a consequence of considering geographic diversity but if you are informed you would be aware of the fact that how competitive a school is varies from state to state. schools in the midwest for example cannot compete with the resources that many NE schools receive and are often less competitive. anyways, this is so stupid to complain about because, at a majority of top schools, a majority of the student body is composed of students from California, the NE, Florida, and Texas.
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<p>Uhh, what do school resources have to do w/ admitting a more geographically diverse student body? (Besides, I am talking about a small, select group of schools – and mid-West schools like Northwestern, UChicago and WUSTL have some of the largest resources/endowments – not to mention state universities such as UMichigan, UWisconsin, etc.)</p>
<p>I am talking about the overly high concentration of Jews at the Ivy Leagues – all of which purportedly take into account geographic diversity. </p>
<p>Almost 45% of Jews live in the NE (for non-adults – that figure rises to 50%).</p>
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ummm... yes, everyone who gets in to top schools will have pretty high test scores that'll put them in atleast the top 10% of students who took the test (few exceptions) but it wouldn't be the common factor in gaining admission since more people with high test scores are rejected than get in. people who get into top colleges simply standout (otherwise their application wouldn't have been so appealing to the admissions officers that they were admitted.). it's possible to have great test scores, good ECs, and good GPA/courseload and not standout.
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<p>Uhh, duh!!! </p>
<p>Re-read what I had written.</p>
<p>Or better yet, let me simplify it for you. </p>
<p>Admissions officers at IL colleges defend taking such a high % of children of black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean b/c they say they are interested in having a cultural diversity (instead of having, say – a “non-descript” black American). </p>
<p>Otoh, these same admissions officers end up selecting Asian-American applicants who tend to come from basically 3 Asian ethnicities (Korean, Chinese and Japanese) – many of whom are “whitewashed” (i.e. – culturally no different from your typical white American).</p>
<p>If these admissions officers were using “cultural diversity” for Asian-Am applicants the SAME way as they do for black applicants – they would be selecting more Asian-Am applicants from other Asian ethnicities (which are underrepresented), as well as selecting more Asian-Am applicants who have stronger cultural ties to their ethnic background.</p>
<p>And why do you think Jewish students dominate the % of whites at the Ivies?
Is it b/c they are inherently smarter than their non-Jewish counterparts, or could it be that they just happen to more studious overall?</p>
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i'm not sure what you're basing this off of...
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<p>Uhh, I suggest doing some reading/research on this topic (plus, this topic has already been covered here before).</p>
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In such distinctions between black immigrants and African Americans lay buried a history of competitive intra-racial tensions and cultural differences that have never been resolved.</p>
<p>In addition to black immigrants' need to hold onto their own identities, many whites have historically tended to regard black immigrants as a model minority within a troublesome native-born black population.
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Redefining</a> 'black' - Los Angeles Times</p>
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That sort of review has made Chinedu enthusiastic about his upcoming year in Nigeria. A stellar student who dreams of attending the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he hopes Nigeria will help him focus.
In most cases, immigrants say, children are sent abroad for a few years in their early teens and then complete high school and prepare for the SAT in the United States. </p>
<p>Not every alumnus has glowing memories. Riverdale area resident Faraday Okoro, 20, said attending grades 9 and 10 in a Nigerian school hurt his grades. Students there, he said, were incredibly competitive, and that made him work hard. But although 75 was a top grade there, it still translated to a C on his U.S. transcript.
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To</a> Africa, For Culture and Credits - washingtonpost.com</p>
<p>Here’s what Prof. Lani Guiner had to say about this topic –</p>
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Black American scholars such as Henry Louis Gates and Lani Guinier, two Harvard University professors, have said that white educators are skirting long-held missions to resolve historic wrongs against native black Americans by enrolling immigrants who look like them.
In an interview, Guinier said that the chasm has less to do with immigrants and more to do with admissions officers who rely on tests that wealthier students, including black immigrants, can afford to prepare for.
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The study's authors considered several possibilities to explain the large number of immigrant students. They noted that black immigrants tend to come from the uppermost classes of their native land and tend to be highly motivated to succeed. The authors also considered that black immigrants posted higher grades and test scores, and that admissions officers were impressed by their work ethic.
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Mayaki counts many black Americans as friends, but that was not always so. As a child, she was steered away from black Americans by her protective Yoruban mother, who emigrated from Nigeria in the 1980s.
"My mom wouldn't let me go next door for a sleepover with African American kids, but I could go five houses down to Asian houses. I kind of got along better with foreigners," she said. "You don't go to parties. You don't go to movies. You just study, stay at home, do your chores. My Indian and Asian friends got it. All my other friends, they never got it."
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Black immigrants: The New Model Minority?</p>
<p>One interviewee, who was originally from Washington D.C. but attended Princeton, remarked that “most of the black students at Princeton were upper middle class African and Caribbean immigrants whose parents could offset the cost of their educational expenses,” and says, in conclusion, that “there’s a deep class divide amongst African and African American students at predominately white universities" (Pailey, "Students Study").
Another difference that commentators writing on the study noted, though that was not explicitly stated in the study, involves work ethic. As a direct result of pressure to succeed, many black immigrants, much like immigrants from other nations, outperform their American peers. According to U.S. census data from 2000, “black immigrants from Africa averaged the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country,” with 43.8% of African immigrants having attained a degree at an institution of higher learning in comparison to 42.5% of Asian-Americans.
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<p>www.thecoupmagazine.com</a> - Home</p>
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so i'm guessing you're not "whitewashed?" how about we just tailor the whole admissions process so that you can get into any college you want? that seems like what you want.
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<p>Uhh, what difference would that make to the issue at hand?</p>
<p>And LOL! – for the record, I’m probably the poster-boy of “whitewashed” – whatever that means (grew up w/ primarily white friends/dated white girls – had more black and non-white Hispanic friends than Asian – and in fact, didn’t have a close Asian friend ‘til I got to grad school, was a “jock/frat-boy” in college, etc.)</p>
<p>Gee, could I be “ranting” about this b/c I care about getting more equality into the system – even tho, such reforms would have been against my personal interests (much less that of any future kids of mine)?</p>
<p>Please – is this the best thing you can come up with – pfffft!</p>
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You make it sound like football players are worth absolutely nothing in this admissions barter system. Who's to say that these great football players, who are probably All-American athletes, havent worked just as hard at football as this Asian guy at academics. How would they feel if they if they didnt get a chance to play at Cal because the Asian guy got in?
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<p>FB players and other athletes (esp. in the “major” sports) will always have a place reserved for them.</p>
<p>Plus, it’s not like there haven’t been a decent no. of Asian FB players at places like USC to Texas A&M to Harvard.</p>
<p>With regard to Harvard – there were about 30 Asian-Am athletes on Harvard’s varsity teams last year (including the top hockey player on both the men’s and women’s teams).</p>
<p>This year, Harvard has 3 Asians on its FB squad (including the starting RB) and has an Asian starter on the men’s BB team.
Athletics doesn’t really play a role in this debate.</p>
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weighted against asians? Thats a laugh. </p>
<p>Especially when despite making up 6% of graduating high school students they make up 30% of ivy league student bodies. </p>
<p>So no, don't exaggerate and falsely claim that the system is "in all ways weighted against" you. The evidence shows that the entire system of college admissions is weighted 5X in your favor.</p>
<p>When colleges admit athletes, legacies, urms, they are making a variation from the unfair system at which Asians are 5X as successful at in order to make positive changes to include more people and build a better student body.</p>
<p>NOT, despite the fact that you may believe college admissions revolves around asians, because they are "out to limit" the number of asian students.</p>
<p>Colleges are trying to be inclusive. They can't intentionally exclude asians when they aren't even thinking about them in the first place.
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<p>Uhh, tyler – before you keep making the same ill-informed posts (that's what's laughable) – maybe you should get your facts correct first.</p>
<p>Asian-Ams make up 17-18% of the Ivy League student body. You are thinking about Jewish students who make up nearly 30% of the student body at the Ivies.</p>
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Irish, Italians, German, Jewish, women, gays, disabled were often "harassed, terrorized, killed, etc," and discriminated against as well. But they were never enslaved.
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<p>Those groups were all able to become "white" - something that Asians can never do by changing their names, etc.</p>
<p>And unlike African-Americans who are seen as Americans, Asians (particularly AMs) are still seen as the "perpetual foreigner").</p>