<p>Based on the 4000000000 posts I just saw titled "asian blah blah blah", most Asians seem to want to get into Ivies. But I'm still kind of confused from all these posts. </p>
<p>Are they saying that a regular Asian will not be able to get into Princeton, Yale, Columbia, etc. able to get if they just get decent grades?</p>
<p>-------------- Note: In decent grades, I mean, in my viewpoint, (maybe 3.7-3.8 GPA), good SAT score (2100), maybe leader of a club and member of many other clubs, and no major ECs like winning reserach projects and what-not? </p>
<h2>From my point of view, these "normal" stats seem to fit a pretty fit candidates for the Ivies since they obviously are smart and somewhat involved in their community.</h2>
<p>No one "normal gets into Ivies these days. Look beyond the Ivies for a better education, esp. at the prestious small LACs that dot the landscape across America.</p>
<p>"Are they saying that a regular Asian will not be able to get into Princeton, Yale, Columbia, etc. able to get if they just get decent grades?"</p>
<p>OK, regular people dont get into those schools to begin with...you just listed 3 of the most competitive schools in the country...So your going to have to be pretty smart and well rounded to get in.</p>
<p>"Colleges like the Ivies probably view "normal" asians as those having like 2250+ SATs and 4.0 GPAs..."</p>
<p>your just delusional... 4.0, 2250+, is not normal/avg for any group...its 99th percentile.</p>
<p>lol there's got to be some hook, if you're asian, RACE is not going to be a hook =) haha but if you're black/hispanic, you DO have a hook--you're born with teh hook</p>
<p>in the context you're taking it, yes, its harder for "normal" asians to get into the ivys. And by normal i'm guessing you mean near perfect gpa, top of the class, perfect math SAT scores, excels in math/science ECs, plays piano/violin, introverted and studies all the time, did things for the sake of getting into college, basically the stereotypical Asian.</p>
<p>Yes the stereotypical Asian is going to have a harder time getting into an ivy league schools simply because of the sheer volume of typical asians.</p>
<p>my advice to you would be that if you're only doing things to get into college, focus on arts or humanities to be a little more original. If you're passionate about math and science then you won't care that the competition in that area is more fierce.</p>
<p>"maybe 3.7-3.8 GPA), good SAT score (2100), maybe leader of a club and member of many other clubs, and no major ECs like winning reserach projects and what-not?..."</p>
<p>Such a person -- regardless of race -- isn't likely to get into Ivies (This also is true of URMs in case anyone is wondering). </p>
<p>You've described the background of the typical Ivy applicant as well as the typical Ivy reject. Even if such a person were also a legacy, they wouldn't have good chances of getting into most Ivies. </p>
<p>They may, however, be able to get into some top 25 colleges.</p>
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introverted and studies all the time, did things for the sake of getting into college, basically the stereotypical Asian.
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***? just because someone gets good scores in math and good GPA doesn't mean that's true even 1/3 of the time...in fact i can thikn of no asians with those stats that you listed that i would say are introverted and do things to get into colleges. besides, who DOESN"T do things to get into college? why would u study for SATs if they don't matter for college? why don't u go study for the test other countries use to see who tests into college instead, since we're all so passionate about testting and don't care about college.</p>
<p>@ ixjunitxi. I meant the "normal" asians on CC. The other ones usually aren't obsessing over a college forum or poring over how to improve their chances by a few percent.</p>
<p>"maybe 3.7-3.8 GPA), good SAT score (2100), maybe leader of a club and member of many other clubs, and no major ECs like winning reserach projects and what-not?..."</p>
<p>in my school those stats can get you into college ANYWHERE if your'e a URM. but my school it's sooo hard to get a 3.7 or whatver</p>
<p>uhh, idn about Narcissa, but a good percentage of the type of Asian kids described above in my hs are introverted and do things to get into college that are, to put it lightly, not very kosher. Especially among Koreans and Indians, it is common in my school to see last year's calculus test being handed down grade by grade for friends in a lower grade to cheat off of. A lot of the Asians, again not all, also seem to hate helping others with work because it is a very cutthroat environment. Asians in my school tend to keep their SAT scores so secret that people don't even bother asking, and a "bad" gpa to a lot of these kids is a 96.</p>
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Especially among Koreans and Indians, it is common in my school to see last year's calculus test being handed down grade by grade for friends in a lower grade to cheat off of.
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wow i HATE it when ppl do that, it's so annoying. you know...my grade doesn't do it, we don't hate helping each other out, it's so unhealthy...like if my friends are stressing i would help them out if i've already taken the test i would tell them what they need to know...Koreans (not to generalize..) usually have insane parents. i know a korean town nearby where every other store is a "SAT prep" store or "College Help" store blahblahblah. </p>
<p>i heard that ppl in other grades are like that in my school which makes me SO happy i'm not in their grade</p>
<p>"Normal" Asians DO get into college. Not every single Asian person in the US is an Olympiad winner or International piano star. But there are a decent amount of Asian people in top colleges. Therefore, normal Asians do get into college. </p>
<p>This isn't only true for Asian students, "normal" people in general get into top colleges.</p>
<p>Its a terrible thing to say, but Asians seem to create the problem they themselves resent. With 90 percent of Asians taking SAT prep courses and poring over studies until 12 or 1 or 2 in the morning, its easy to see how Asians seem to be the strongest overall group applying to top colleges. At the same time, colleges cant afford to take all the 4.0 2200 Asians even if they are stronger than lets say 80 percent of the applicant pool because frankly, no matter how counter effective AA is, you can't have 70 percent of the student body be one ethnicity (unless its white which would be proportionally correct to the US population). Of course, everybody wants their kid to do well but by encouraging this type of lifestyle, Asian parents and students are enhancing a policy they so deeply detest.</p>
<p>I'll raise my hand (the only caveat is that I was admitted at a time when the Ivies' admit rate was higher. My alma mater was ~16% when I was admitted. Now it's < 10%).</p>
<p>I'm a 1st generation collegian, Chinese, attended public school in a large (and poor performing) urban school district. I attended the premier HS there and took the MOST rigorous courseload available (including Satuday AP chem class). OK but not outstanding ECs. No national awards. Super leadership roles & very engaged in my predominantly black HS. </p>
<p>I was ranked around 10 or so in my class of 210. This was unweighted and there were definitely people ahead of me who took easier classes. My SATs were about the 50th percentile of those admitted to my alma mater.</p>
<p>I'm confident that I had great recs. One of my essays was rather commonplace if I say so myself. My other one, I think, was a real eye-catcher -- I wrote about how I betrayed a deeply kept secret of my best friend and how I had to move beyond that. It was honest and was in "my voice" as they say. It was very reflective for a 17 year old's perspective on the universe.</p>
<p>I was accepted at both the two Ivies I applied, matriculating at one of the HYP schools. Now I'm back recruiting in that large urban school district, hoping to funnel the best back to my alma mater.</p>