<p>You're a Cardinal, are you not, kfc4u? I can smell you guys from a mile away. :) hahahaha </p>
<p>In all seriousness, Stanford is greatness even it is ranked so low. haha</p>
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Rankings are important for people who want to consider graduate studies in Liberal Arts or maybe want to get ito law school or something. Ranking engieering schools doesn't really work in my opinion.
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<p>Tell that to prominent companies like Microsoft and Google who only like hiring from top schools.</p>
<p>kfc4u is a UCLA man</p>
<p>In all seriousness, we all know that even if Penn and Duke were ranked #1 and Stanford/MIT/Caltech were ranked #204, nobody would truly believe that Duke and penn were better. Now if the Revealed Preference Ranking changed, that would indeed be a cause for concern.</p>
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The editor of the US News education rankings is an alum of U Penn, who artifically boosts their rankings.
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<p>Well, if that's true, UPenn didn't pay off US News. They own US News rankings. lol!</p>
<p>Yes. He went to Wharton, right?</p>
<p>Are you serious? We proved already how that is fallacious due to the fact that it does not measure the opinion of those in the know. High school kids are not in a position to measure the quality of schools they have yet to attend. The least they could do is ask college seniors.</p>
<p>Edit: Sorry, kfc.</p>
<p>This list is not correct, though the order of the schools are correct. It does not distinguish between ties and the usual numerical rankings.</p>
<p>Thanks barrons!!</p>
<p>one more favor? Can you look up Bucknell and Holy Cross? Thanks a lot.</p>
<p>I think I read it in a trustworthy tabloid that the Penn editor was having a torrid affair with the co-editor who was a Duke basketball fan. Hence the prominence of Duke in the rankings.... :)</p>
<p>I'm surprised BU didn't get into the top 50...where did they end up?</p>
<p>hey, barrons, could you pretty please complete the undergrad engineering list? for ph.d unis por favor</p>
<p>and rock on for being so patient with the pride-hungry mob:)</p>
<p>1sokkermom,</p>
<p>Well, do you know where did Penn score better than Stanford? Without reading the US News, I am pretty sure Stanford scores better in selectivity and peer assessment scores and I thought these two are supposed to count a lot (or maybe not apparently). So Penn must somehow score better in other criteria to get past Stanford. Do you know what they are?</p>
<p>I was asking about those engineering rankings because my school has a problem with diversity. I go to Rose-Hulman, and we still have way too many students coming from Indiana and the surrounding geographic region. One recent recruiting tool, whether or not you consider it legitimate, is the USNWR ranking. Many out-of-staters first hear about Rose through the USNWR rankings. </p>
<p>I'm not concerned at all about our reputation among graduate schools or tech companies...I doubt they even look at the rankings. But rankings are a bit more influential when it comes to recruiting prospective students. Heck, just look at the mania that unfolds here every August...some students are slightly obsessed (although many more have level heads about the subject).</p>
<p>"Are you serious? We proved already how that is fallacious due to the fact that it does not measure the opinion of those in the know. High school kids are not in a position to measure the quality of schools they have yet to attend. The least they could do is ask college seniors."</p>
<p>I disagree. The Revealed Preference Ranking does not explicitly ask college applicants whether they think a college is "better" than another college. In fact, the ranking does not take people's opinions into account what-so-ever. It only measures people's ACTIONS. If the majority of admits choose MIT over places like Johns Hopkins then the ranking will reflect the fact that MIT wins more cross-admits relative to other schools. </p>
<p>Anyway, many factors influence how a student chooses to enroll in one school over another. Fortunately, US News is not such a strong factor because the last time I checked Penn and Duke did very poorly on the Revealed Preference Ranking as compared to their rank on US News. Also, MIT and Caltech did extremely well on the Revealed Preference Ranking despite the fact that they have been declining in rank on US News.</p>
<p>I'm surprised BU didn't get into the top 50...where did they end up?</p>
<p>They were #56 in last year's ranking, so BU is presumably somewhere below the cutoff of this list.</p>
<p>Sam,
I have no idea. According to Byerly, I think Penn scored 95 points (out of a possible 100), and Stanford scored 94. I don't think the differential is that significant. The ranking is what it is. No amount of disbelief or skepticism is going to change it. It shouldn't impact your opinion of a school that you have researched and measured against your standards. Your ranking may be different than US News. Mine could be different than yours. So what?</p>
<p>If a student chooses MIT over JHU, then most certainly an OPINION had to drive those actions. Motion is not so monotonous as to not require stimuli from the individual's perspective/feelings. Cross admit numbers are often a silly way of gauging reputation. Mitigating circumstances are thrown to the way side. As you put it, it does not factor in "whatsoever." Does the student choosing MIT necessarily know that MIT has better professors? Does the student necessarily know which one is better? And what does that mean...better? I remember you from the Revealed Preference thread and I thought Alexandre and I lambasted your entire argument.</p>
<p>Edit: I cannot speak for Penn, but I know Duke has better grad placement than just about any school save for HYPS (maybe M but that's another story). 91% acceptance rate into med school and a 98% acceptance rate into law school. I would say those stats are a very perspicuous way of gauging how schools view one another. And in that perspective...Duke wins.</p>
<p>These rankings are horrible. Chicago is a MUCH better school than Brown, but its alumni donations suck horribly. And UPenn is not THAT good of a school.</p>
<p>You don't win arguments by thinking in your mind that you won. I'm disappointed in you. You should know better.</p>
<p>Did you just say you are disappointed in me? Haha ok. I have many people who agreed with me about those preference rankings. The rejection of your contention was almost ubiquitous.</p>