Cornell among the Ivies

<p>I cobbled these opinions together from various sources. They focus primarily on the undergraduate programs of the various Ivies. I think there is a ring of truth in them.</p>

<p>For undergraduate education:</p>

<p>Tier I - Yale, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth;
Tier II - Harvard, Penn, Columbia, Cornell </p>

<p>Yale - Extraordinary academics (though skewed away from the hard sciences). Provides luminaries on the faculty combined with a stunning array of intellectual offerings (formal courses as well as unique extra-curriculars like Grand Strategy). Reigns supreme in the fine arts, offers great leadership and service opportunities. Greatest undergrad focus [tutoring, mentoring, residential college housing, funding for ECs] with the possible exception of Dartmouth. Market leading endowment performance has Yale rolling in dough. The brand name is second to only to one. It feels closer to the centers of American power than perhaps all the other top schools (Good Shepherd anyone?). Often rates rather low in "student happiness" surveys. Major issue - old New Haven, which is still depressing after all these years </p>

<p>Princeton - Phenomenal academics, probably the most balanced of the Ivies across all fields of study. World class in arts, humanities, social sciences, hard sciences AND engineering. Only Stanford can surpass Princeton among the elite private schools in this regard. Pound for pound it's the best academically for undergraduates of all the Ivies with the largest endowment for undergraduate academics and a pristine idyllic campus. Major issue - Old Nassau is elite and it FEELS elite --> Is Princeton too cultured & manicured? Does it simply have too much money?? </p>

<p>Brown - The place for independent students who are brave (or foolish enough) to design their own programs of study; very good academics especially in the humanities; new arts link with RISD may effectively place Brown in the same league as Yale; stellar and very self-selecting student body and lots of momentum because of strong University leadership. And then there's the aura of celebrity which hangs over the campus like a golden halo. Major issue - lack of research-heavy grad schools means Brown will increasingly NOT be perceived as a top school by rankings that favor engrg & medical focused universities (an issue also hurting Princeton). </p>

<p>Dartmouth - Weakest in a pure academic sense among the Ivies (due to its limited graduate programs), but still one of the very best in the nation for a classic liberal arts education. The focus on undergrads is rivaled perhaps only by Yale and the demanding rigor of its course work, especially in math, science and engineering is almost unparalleled among its peers (think more like MIT). Mentoring from senior faculty is reputedly the best in the Ivies, and lots of resources ($$$) are committed to the undergraduates and to undergraduate research. Does a fantastic job of creating a very strong bond among and with its students -- it really is a "tribe". Very self-selecting student body. Off-campus and international programs the best in the Ivies. Major issue - those long and cold and long and cold New England winters.</p>

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<p>Harvard - #1 brand. #1 endowment. And Harvard manages both aggressively. Overall, Harvard has more - more money, more Nobelists, more books, more museums, more labs, more of everything. The school is loaded with superstar faculty (Nobels, National Academy members, etc). Harvard College has the highest yield and one of the lowest admit rates; it may have more students that are really off the charts than any other school in America. The place is Institutional with a capital I. Major Issue - Harvard clearly favors its graduate schools, and the abandoned undergrads don't complain too much because they count themselves lucky to even be there. A low-level and pervasive unhappiness though can be sensed among many undergraduates, as most believe their peers are getting a better education and having more fun elsewhere.</p>

<p>Penn - Academically, great breadth across many disciplines. Unrivalled in undergrad business and nursing, top notch in arts and social sciences. Maybe the weakest among the research-oriented Ivy in the hard sciences. Increasingly prominent in humanities ECs (Kelly Writers House, Civics House, Humanities Forum, etc.) to counter pre-professional Wharton-itis. Lots of academic freedom and perhaps the most flexible after Brown; Penn works hard to ensure cross-disciplinary work. Students can take classes at all Penn's schools (except for Med), benefiting from what may be the second best group of graduate schools among the Ivies. Work hard, party hard ethos. Major Issue - Sheer size and "grittiness" mars the Ivy experience and an anemic job market in Philadelphia (no incentives to stay local unlike Harvard/Cambridge or Stanford/Palo Alto). </p>

<p>Columbia - Blessed with a long legacy and unrivalled NYC location. Any professor who wants to live in NYC most likely wants to teach at Columbia. That creates great resources for students. Unique Core Curriculum defines the academic experience, and Columbia is stellar in many areas. One of the very best in arts and social sciences, very strong in sciences too. Famously political and activist, though jobs on Wall Street seem to carry the day with students. Advising, facilities and access to popular courses draw chronic complaints from the students. Campus expansion may help, although there's never enough space in Manhattan. Major Issue - Does Columbia rely too much on the lure of NYC for students and faculty alike? </p>

<p>Cornell - Big Red!!! Awesome academics can't be touched in engineering and the hard sciences. Unrivalled and unique offerings (agriculture school, labor relations, hotel mgmt) within the Ivies. Don't pooh pooh the admit rate - Cornell is the biggest among the best and - more importantly - it has a slightly different mission that the other places, namely it's the land grant school for NY state. It's a major research center even for undergrads. Another idyllic - perhaps isolated - locale for college and the life of the mind. Student diversity varies tremendously between the undergraduate schools (there are seven). And the academic programs are very structured, (aka, rigid). Major issue - Immense academic pressure at a competitive place (read grind), and those bitter winters high abve Cayuga's waters.</p>

<p>WOW!!!!!! What a THIEF you are!!!!!! </p>

<p>You have the audacity to completely copy a post I made, essentially in its entirety may I add - and take credit for it. What a pathetic person you are!!!!! </p>

<p>If this was real life you'd be fired for plagiarism and then sued for stealing. </p>

<p>Since it's an Internet thread, I'll take this as a compliment for the research I have done and perspective that I have developed.</p>

<p>"Dartmouth - Weakest in a pure academic sense among the Ivies (due to its limited graduate programs), but still one of the very best in the nation for a classic liberal arts education. The focus on undergrads is rivaled perhaps only by Yale and the demanding rigor of its course work, especially in math, science and engineering is almost unparalleled among its peers (think more like MIT). "</p>

<p>not really. i wanted to study engineering, but ended up not applying to dartmouth because they don't have an engineering school. im pretty sure you can only do bio engineering there and thats it..</p>

<p>Lol, thats a good tagline "Cornell - the biggest among the best". It subtly hints that we have the highest admit rate while at the same time establishing that we're right up there with the best of them. Not that we were ever not among the best but the (relatively) high admit rate has caused some people to think otherwise. 18% this time though - I think that should shut people up.</p>

<p>This has been posted in all the Ivy League Forums I believe. I think it's interesting to see the different school's reactions.</p>

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<p>see: Thayer</a> School of Engineering at Dartmouth <3</p>

<p>I really hope that the acceptance rate this year at Cornell is low, hopefully around 15%. When I think about it, Cornell should just accept more people ED so that they could have a lower acceptance rate during the RD round, which is the rate that colleges post anyways.</p>

<p><a href="http://fuhankypanky.blogspot.com/2007/11/vituperative-vituperations.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://fuhankypanky.blogspot.com/2007/11/vituperative-vituperations.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Hahaha.</p>

<p>...and the only things you can major in are biomedical engineering, engineering physics, and engineering science. three whole different engineering majors...wow</p>

<p>rch855: Sample</a> A.B./B.E. Programs</p>

<p>that's got to hurt.</p>

<p>Actually colleges post the overall rate, not the RD rate. Totally and absolutely incorrect.</p>

<p>cool, i officially hate collegeboard.com then</p>

<p>BalletGirl's tiered list is accurate except for placing Brown & Dartmouth in Tier One, and except for placing Cornell, Harvard, Penn & Columbia in Tier Two.</p>

<p>Are you sure about this? I have read online that they post the RD rate...</p>

<p>very sure; use the numbers on this page to calculate:
<a href="http://admissions.cornell.edu/downloads/EnteringClassProfile.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://admissions.cornell.edu/downloads/EnteringClassProfile.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>5402/27368= .197 = 19.7%</p>

<p>On the 2008 edition of US News rankings, the admit rate reported for Cornell was around 25%, not 19.7%, since they also factored in the 36.5% ED admit rate.</p>

<p>where's duke in all of this? stanford?
in terms of quality of undergraduate education..</p>

<p>OP was only talking about the 8 ivy league schools.</p>

<p>i know.. i'm just curious about whether the OP can give us an idea of where he or she believes Duke and Stanford would be in all of this in terms of 'quality of undergraduate education'</p>

<p>i would say dead last among firsts.</p>

<p>and MIT and CALTECH?</p>