<p>which one would you go to as an undergraduate?</p>
<p>everyone would go to princeton, brown, dartmouth, or yale. </p>
<p>harvard, columbia, penn, cornell are more graduate-oriented not that this really means anything. and I go to one in the latter group.</p>
<p>I'd go to Dartmouth - but that's just because I like a really vibrant sports scene.</p>
<p>Cornell </p>
<p>I actually prefer rural schools. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Cornell, definitely.</p>
<p>Schools focused on undergrads
Cornell
Dartmouth
Princeton
Brown
Rice</p>
<p>Schools focused on graduate students
Columbia
Harvard
Stanford
Chicago
Caltech
MIT
Johns Hopkins</p>
<p>Schools that are evenly split
Duke
Northwestern
Penn
Yale
Washington U St Louis
Emory
Georgetown
Vanderbilt</p>
<p>I dont care about prestige. Penn is the Ivy I'd most like.</p>
<p>I'd go to Cornell or Dartmouth. I prefer the rural schools that seem secluded from the rest of the world. I don't mind that there might be nothing interesting around and that you wouldn't have many good reasons to leave campus. In fact, that feeling was one of the greatest things I liked about my first choice school.</p>
<p>If measured in percentage terms, here is how the USNWR Top 30 break out of undergraduate and graduate enrollment(data from collegeboard.com): </p>
<p>Undergrad Size , Grad Size , Total Enrollment , % Undergrad , School</p>
<p>6010 , 1756 , 7766 , 77% , Brown
8352 , 2646 , 10998 , 76% , Notre Dame
4332 , 1393 , 5725 , 76% , Wake Forest
4085 , 1352 , 5437 , 75% , Dartmouth
4478 , 1646 , 6124 , 73% , J Hopkins
23,863 , 9007 , 32870 , 73% , UC Berkeley
13562 , 5181 , 18743 , 72% , Cornell
4760 , 2010 , 6770 , 70% , Princeton
25,432 , 10,901 , 36333 , 70% , UCLA
17,124 , 8254 , 25378 , 67% , U North Carolina
14,676 , 7693 , 22369 , 66% , U Virginia
25,555 , 14,526 , 40081 , 64% , U Michigan
4995 , 2977 , 7972 , 63% , Tufts
6646 , 4080 , 10726 , 62% , Emory
6378 , 3925 , 10303 , 62% , Vanderbilt
7386 , 4715 , 12101 , 61% , Wash U StL
6853 , 4490 , 11343 , 60% , Georgetown
3049 , 2070 , 5119 , 60% , Rice
9730 , 6712 , 16442 , 59% , U Penn
5669 , 4451 , 10120 , 56% , Carnegie Mellon
16,729 , 13,950 , 30679 , 55% , USC
6330 , 5350 , 11680 , 54% , Duke
5333 , 4852 , 10185 , 52% , Yale
8153 , 7824 , 15977 , 51% , Northwestern
4807 , 5834 , 10641 , 45% , U Chicago
864 , 1222 , 2086 , 41% , Cal Tech
4127 , 6126 , 10253 , 40% , MIT
6715 , 10,010 , 16725 , 40% , Harvard
6422 , 10,285 , 16707 , 38% , Stanford
5260 , 17,740 , 23000 , 23% , Columbia</p>
<p>If measured in terms of absolute largest number of graduate students, here is the break out for undergraduate and graduate enrollment (data from collegeboard.com):</p>
<p>Undergrad Enrooment, Graduate Enrollment, Total Enrollment, % Undergrad, School</p>
<p>5260 , 17,740 , 23000 , 23% , Columbia
25,555 , 14,526 , 40081 , 64% , U Michigan
16,729 , 13,950 , 30679 , 55% , USC
25,432 , 10,901 , 36333 , 70% , UCLA
6422 , 10,285 , 16707 , 38% , Stanford
6715 , 10,010 , 16725 , 40% , Harvard
23,863 , 9007 , 32870 , 73% , UC Berkeley
17,124 , 8254 , 25378 , 67% , U North Carolina
8153 , 7824 , 15977 , 51% , Northwestern
14,676 , 7693 , 22369 , 66% , U Virginia
9730 , 6712 , 16442 , 59% , U Penn
4127 , 6126 , 10253 , 40% , MIT
4807 , 5834 , 10641 , 45% , U Chicago
6330 , 5350 , 11680 , 54% , Duke
13562 , 5181 , 18743 , 72% , Cornell
5333 , 4852 , 10185 , 52% , Yale
7386 , 4715 , 12101 , 61% , Wash U StL
6853 , 4490 , 11343 , 60% , Georgetown
5669 , 4451 , 10120 , 56% , Carnegie Mellon
6646 , 4080 , 10726 , 62% , Emory
6378 , 3925 , 10303 , 62% , Vanderbilt
4995 , 2977 , 7972 , 63% , Tufts
8352 , 2646 , 10998 , 76% , Notre Dame
3049 , 2070 , 5119 , 60% , Rice
4760 , 2010 , 6770 , 70% , Princeton
6010 , 1756 , 7766 , 77% , Brown
4478 , 1646 , 6124 , 73% , J Hopkins
4332 , 1393 , 5725 , 76% , Wake Forest
4085 , 1352 , 5437 , 75% , Dartmouth
864 , 1222 , 2086 , 41% , Cal Tech</p>
<p>Penn, easily.</p>
<p>Princeton seems most attractive</p>
<p>Princeton :)</p>
<p>LOL I didn't know "give a fig" was an expression. I thought warbler was saying presenting figures on Hopkins is not relevant in this discussion because it's about Ivies. Chill pill.</p>
<p>I think Johns Hopkins is only 30% undergrad. At least, that is what the US Dept of Education data says on the IPEDS website. Hawkettes numbers for JHU are incorrect, I think.</p>
<p>The numbers hawkette has are for the homewood campus, which is where Arts and Sciences, and Engineering are located. If you factor in graduate students at SAIS, the medical school, public health, nursing, Peabody, then the percent of undergraduates goes down substantially. But each of those schools have their own professors and own campuses, so we undergraduates only interact with the 1500 or so grad students here at homewood.</p>
<p>Economics and Government at HARVARD!</p>
<p>My impression is that Penn and Columbia are in an unsafe neighborhoods. Harvard, Princeton, and Yale locations are not so great. Brown, Dartmouth, and Cornell have great locations.</p>
<p>Penn's neighborhood is fine if you have any combination of street smarts and common sense.</p>
<p>Dartmouth. The difference between a Dartmouth and a Cornell or Columbia is Dartmouth focuses on undergrad education and gears everything that direction. Undergrad is the primary focus of the college, others are not this way, some (Harvard, Penn, Columbia, Cornell) are even the opposite. </p>
<p>Dartmouth spends almost 4 times as much per student as some of its Ivy counterparts, runs its own fantastic study abroad program with 2/3 of its students studying abroad, has ZERO TAs teaching classes, has a incredibly well endowed career services that gets the best recruiters on campus (tied with Princeton), etc. 75% of classes show up at reunions, at places like Columbia its 20%. There is a difference.</p>
<p>i would go to penn. it was my dream school but i had nowhere near the sats to get in. the campus is beautiful and its right in a major city so youre never at a lack of something to do. ive also heard it called the "social" ivy so thats something that definetly is a plus for me.</p>
<p>next id pick columbia even though if you leave the immidiate area you wont be in too good of shape. its the closest to home for me and nyc is the best city in the world in my opinion. so that would decide it for me.</p>
<p>next harvard? idk, i like boston a lot and the harvard campus is nice.</p>
<p>and i dont know after that.. dont have any attraction really to the remaining schools and id rather be where i am now than at one of the other 5.</p>