<p>"I'm actually a bit optimistic. If they are so hard on people from such prestiguous schools, maybe they'll be a bit softer on strong applicants from community colleges and such. And as far as community college applicants go, I think I'm pretty strong.</p>
<p>It would suck if they gave all the spots to people who are at perfectly fine schools, and denied strong applicants from lesser schools who would benefit much more from a transfer."</p>
<p>I hope this is true, haha. but maybe they're trying to protect their yield since meyer and grapes will most likely get accepted into a better ivy.</p>
<p>and i think when adcoms read applications from students of prestigious schools like rice and chicago, maybe they're looking for better reasons of wanting to trasnfer into cornell, rather than just wanting a better chance to get into law school..</p>
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maybe they're trying to protect their yield since meyer and grapes will most likely get accepted into a better ivy.
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<p>Yield is meaningless in transfer admissions and it plays no part in ranking. I think that Cornell will be fine either way. If certain acceptees don't matriculate, they can just look at it as a small downsizing - something that Cornell will end up doing anyhow to protect it's ranking.</p>
<p>I personally think that Cornell is a much better academic institution than Brown and UPenn for example, so I doubt that adcoms at Cornell would act on a prescribed inferiority complex.</p>
<p>I think that it was high time that people stopped regarding Cornell as the transfer safety, and I think that after this year they will. I am sorry for the people who had to learn this the hard way though.</p>
<p>Also, I don't think that Cornell will accept predominantly community college transfers. It's been said many times that the number of accepted students goes like this: Top 30-35 to top 50+ > Community Colleges > Top 15.</p>
<p>I see at least 3 people who have accumulated 60+ credits being rejected early. I have always thought that it is never a good idea to go above 60 credits, regardless if they all transfer or not, just to be safe. Cornell doesn't specify, but there are many schools who reject applicants with more than 60 credits.</p>
<p>"and i think when adcoms read applications from students of prestigious schools like rice and chicago, maybe they're looking for better reasons of wanting to trasnfer into cornell, rather than just wanting a better chance to get into law school.."</p>
<p>I think jl visionz hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>This may be of interest to you Cornell kids.</p>
<p>My favorite part:</p>
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The committee's roots lie in a Cornell-Yale football game in Ithaca four years ago. Yale fans in the stadium were wearing hats and other neat gear unlike anything Cornell offered for sale, Mr. Cohl said. He talked about that with students sitting nearby, including leaders of the campus Republicans and Democrats.</p>
<p>All were in agreement, he said. "Nobody was wearing our stuff," he said. "We didn't have cool hats, we didn't have cool hoodies."
<p>Has anyone received a decision for a transfer to CALS, non-GT?
Sorry, I am gonna cross</a> post, because there are two damn transfer status threads!</p>
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I don't think that Cornell will accept predominantly community college transfers.
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<p>Of course not... They just won't have enough strong applicants to choose from.</p>
<p>But let's say they are choosing between a strong cc candidate with good essays, recs, and test scores and an applicant at a super-name school... It seems logical to me that they'd try to give the cc student an edge, even if he/she doesn't beat the other applicant hands down.</p>
<p>Of course, my logic could be flawed. I don't have a clue about what really goes on in admissions' mind.</p>
<p>Well, yeah. Statistically, a small number of transfers from top 15 schools are accepted as I said above. So, unless you want to go from Stanford to Harvard (*), it is a little bit harder.</p>
<p>I don't think that direct paralell could be made that easily between CC students and top 15 students, given the fact that the admissions are rolling (so at any given time any given adcom is probably working with a small number of applications) and that somebody with a 4.00 from a CC got rejected a few days ago. However, I think that it takes a lot to persuade someone that Cornell will work out better for you than let's say Chicago. It is much easier to claim that your life will end after CC and that your state school is not an adequate continuation of your academic endeavor [provided that you have the accomplishments to back that up]</p>
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<p>(*) They din't seem to care much about the resons in this case. It is pretty much a guaranteed transfer.</p>
<p>Sure CC students can make the case that a transfer is necessary, but no matter if you come from UChicago or CC or Harvard, they're going to assume that you want to come to Cornell because of the reasons they love Cornell, and unless you seem completely ambivalent, they're going to spend more time making sure you're really someone they want to accept. They aren't going to give people less of a chance because they did well in high school and got scholarships to 4 year schools or got into a top 15. That would be a bigger sacrifice than just letting in Stanford kids - sorry but it's just Ivy League politics.</p>
<p>PS I transferred into Penn last year and didn't meet a single CC student, 90 percent of people I met were at top 30 universities or LACs, and generally the better the school was, the lower your GPA had to be to get in. But, that's just Penn, you never know . . .</p>
<p>@PCV: I doubt anyone knows--for sure--if they are going to do so, but I think it is safe to assume that there will be more decisions posted at midnight (EST).</p>
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Sure CC students can make the case that a transfer is necessary, but no matter if you come from UChicago or CC or Harvard, they're going to assume that you want to come to Cornell because of the reasons they love Cornell, and unless you seem completely ambivalent, they're going to spend more time making sure you're really someone they want to accept.
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<p>I am not sure, but I think you are implying that reasons for transfer are presumed... Everyone makes their case and it usually isn't in the form of "because I really, really want to." The "Why" essay is a part of every application for a reason.
A rough quote: "since we have very few spots available we are looking for people with clearly defined reasons to transfer". It is the PC thing to do. Volatile, frivolous reasons usually work against you.</p>
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They aren't going to give people less of a chance because they did well in high school and got scholarships to 4 year schools or got into a top 15. That would be a bigger sacrifice than just letting in Stanford kids - sorry but it's just Ivy League politics.
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<p>You are being presumptuous again. I did perfectly in HS; even baged quite a few national awards and I don't go to a top 15 school and have never before applied to one. You presume that everyone that doesn't go to a top 15 has a academic/other flaw.
Harvard lets Stanford kids in for a different reason, and you should look at this more as "the exception that confirms the rule". And I call it a rule simply because it is a fact. Eporell22 proved it last year, Yale claim so officially (just verbalizes it differently). Schools are not looking for transfers that come from similar schools. I also said that going to a CC won't give anybody an edge (as a response to JohnM's post), and I don't believe that CC students will be overrepresented. You misunderstood. My point in bringing up CCs was that in some cases it might be easier [for a CC sudent to prove that he/she is accomplished enough to deserve acceptance], than [it is for a student at a top school to justify a transfer]. Again, what prompted my assertion was that, cumulatively and statistically, students from top 15 schools are a minority when it comes to succesful transferring. CC transfers are also a minority especially in H, Y, Columbia and not so much in Stanford, and Cornell.</p>
<p>The Crimson reported on April 18 that last year only 5 students out of 75 were from two year schools. If you remember, every year Deep Springs, a very prestigious commune-like school devoted to social service, sends a handful of students to Harvard every year (I met one and dated another), therefore only mabie 2-4 CC students are accepted to Harvard as transfers in any year. Not to mention, last year was a high admission rate. My assertion is that CC students are looked on favorably, but they ultimately make almost no impact on the accepted transfer community. That's just how it is.</p>
<p>Sorry ok final thing - yea Cornell may accept cc students, but most Major universities who accept higher numbers have specific civic agreements - Stanford, Wesleyan, UVA, a lot of schools do this. So, good luck for Cornell applicatns, but it's different everywhere.</p>
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The Crimson reported on April 18 that last year only 5 students out of 75 were from two year schools. If you remember, every year Deep Springs, a very prestigious commune-like school devoted to social service, sends a handful of students to Harvard every year (I met one and dated another), therefore only mabie 2-4 CC students are accepted to Harvard as transfers in any year. Not to mention, last year was a high admission rate. My assertion is that CC students are looked on favorably, but they ultimately make almost no impact on the accepted transfer community. That's just how it is.
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CC transfers are also a minority especially in Harvard, Yale, Columbia
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<p>I know that CC students barely make it to Harvard.</p>
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You misunderstood. My point in bringing up CCs was that in some cases it might be easier [for a CC sudent to prove that he/she is accomplished enough to deserve acceptance], than [it is for a student at a top school to justify a transfer]
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<em>mathematical "and" operator</em>
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CC transfers are also a minority especially in H, Y, Columbia and not so much in Stanford, and Cornell
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= a possible logical explanation why a Rice 4.00 student and a Chicago student were rejected from Cornell (not Harvard, Yale, Columbia, or Upenn)</p>